Which member of the family is this ?

[capella lugs]

I bought yet another member of the Carlton / Raleigh etc clan a few weeks back. I bought it online, thinking it was a Carlton, when in fact it is a cousin, but I dont know which cousin !
The most obvious clue to what it is, are the chromed 'shrouds' on the shoulder of the front forks - but I havent seen these before. It is missing its headbadge, and the rivet holes are 'above and below', whereas the Carlton has rivet holes on the sides of the sides. The frame has that same 'loop'around the base of the seatpost, as seen in many older Carltons. The Dropouts are forged , and the frame feels very light. Any info / opinions etc gratefully received. Cheers.

 

[biggs682]

normally see those shrouds on bsa'a and rudge's

love that stem

 

[midlife]

Looks like a Raleigh Gran Sort with the Wrapround seat stays?

Shaun

 

[capella lugs]

Thanks for those suggestions and leads - I'll go hunting !
- And I agree with you biggs 682 - that is a very snappy looking stem ! - photo attached. (its a Milremo )

 

[Daddybus]

BSA forks at least (see PIC).... Raleigh headbadge is usually 3 rivits ...sun is 2 rivits vertically spaced -what (or where) is the serial number?

 

[capella lugs]

Those BSA forks look a 'dead ringer' for the ones on this bike. The serial number is K4124 and is stamped on top of the bottom bracket housing of the left hand side (as seen from a rider's point of view ). And the headbadge rivets are vertically spaced. Cheers

 

[biggs682]

Thanks for those suggestions and leads - I'll go hunting !
- And I agree with you biggs 682 - that is a very snappy looking stem ! - photo attached. (its a Milremo )

of for a cold shower

 

[Daddybus]

Those BSA forks look a 'dead ringer' for the ones on this bike. The serial number is K4124 and is stamped on top of the bottom bracket housing of the left hand side (as seen from a rider's point of view ). And the headbadge rivets are vertically spaced. Cheers

If it is BSA I think the older cast style head badges may have vertically spaced rivits ..which would put this in the fifties?? Perhaps one of the golden models...

 

[Cycleops]

I'd say most of the stuff on it has been changed over the years. BSA was a "cooking" brand and would have had more mundane equipment, if it is indeed a beezer.

 

[capella lugs]

One more small clue ! - the distance between the (vertically aligned) headbadge rivet holes is very very close to 6cm ( 2.36 inches ) . Cheers !

 

[Daddybus]

Cant see any rivits on my bsa badge??? But you can rule out a SUN I know they are vertically 8cm apart...

 

[capella lugs]

Just for the record - it seems that the bike / bicycle/cycle in question is indeed an early 60's member of the clan 'SUN' - I have found other references to the areas of chrome on the main frame, as well as the derailleur clamps and levers which are on the frame, (which could be substitutes of course). I still dont know what year it is, but that is not a worry. Thanks for your recent input !

 

[capella lugs]

A further update - have found that the 'Milremo' stem was in fact the original stem fitted to some models of Sun cycles for a period of their manufacture - very strange decision to do something so 'outside the square', but apparently that was what happened !

 

[capella lugs]

Yet another further update, - 6 months later - link to the piece mentioned in previous post that explains how some of the Sun Cycles came to have Milremo stems - interesting reading: https://bertinclassiccycles.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/milremo-andre-bertin-and-ron-kitching/

Cheers