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blazingsaddles

Senior Member
My wife will soon be looking for a bike and I'm thinking she may be better with hub gears as opposed to a derailler. She hated the derailler set up on her last bike a Claud Butler Hybrid and it put her off cycling.
Personally I'd like to get her a Rolhoff 14 speed from Thorn but she insists she won't use the cycle that much to justify the expense. Therefore I'm thinking of a hub with 8 or 9 speeds.
The bike would be used on canal track type of roads but we would also need gearing for hills. 26" or 700c wheels would be viable. Our budget would be approx. £ 500.00. Any advice out there regarding a choice of hub gears or complete bikes?

Regards
bs
 

NickM

Veteran
The 8-speed Shimano Alfine is reportedly very slick and is reasonably priced at ~£123 (which does not include a gear shifter... grrr). Its disadvantages are that wheel removal and replacement require a definite knack, and the hub itself supposedly needs regular servicing and relubrication by a bike shop (because the specialist tools are expensive), if you can find one locally which knows anything at all about hub gears... This is what has put me off getting one, or a bike equipped with one. The hub is 135mm over rear locknuts (ORLN). It (or its cheaper Nexus cousin) comes fitted to the majority of off-the-peg hub-geared bikes.

The SRAM I-motion 9 costs about £290 (again without gear shifter, grrr), which rules it out as far as I am concerned.

The well proven (it just goes on and on) SRAM S7 costs about £185 complete. It may be found more cheaply on German eBay, but will then inevitably be in the coaster brake version. It is 130mm ORLN, with room for a 5mm spacer on the LHS if needed. Its only disadvantage is that it has no provision for a rear disc brake.

No current hub gear has a control suitable for drop bars, but I'm guessing that this is not a problem for you.

Lots of information on these and other possibilities at the excellent hubstripping.com.
 

MartinC

Über Member
Location
Cheltenham
I've used a variety of hub gears over the years for commuting and hacking around.

The SRAM and SA 3 speeds are reliable and efficient but I doubt they'll give you enough gears or the range you need.

I ran a Nexus 7 for may years. It was reliable and needed no maintenance. Gear range wasn't that big (about 200% IIRC). Used it with a roller brake which, with the gear cable cassette, made wheel removal difficult. Stopped using it after the rear wheel was written off in an accident.

Used a SRAM Spectro 7 for many years too. The bike has very short rear stays so the the clickbox intefered with my heel sometimes. Otherwise this would be my favourite. Extremely reliable. Good range (around 275%) of gears and pretty efficient in the middle ones that you use the most. Wheel removal with the clickbox is easy. The rim's just worn out so I've put myself a Premium (roller bearings on the pinions) Nexus 8 (the new SG-8R36 with the better seal) in a new wheel.

Haven't used the Nexus yet but it looks like it should be reasonably efficient across the whole range. Gear range slightly higher than the Spectro. The earlier models had a bad reputation for reliability because the seal was bad, I believe, and let water into the internals. It needs maintenance - remove the internals and dunk them in oil. I don't believe this is complicated (if you're reasonably competent) but you would need to but the Shimano oil and something to use as an oil bath. This is every couple of years or couple of thousand miles. My Nexus 7 needed this in theory but I never got round to it in it's 3-4 year life of daily commuting.

The Rohloff is very expensive. The i-Motion 9 quite expensive and possibly not proven as reliable as the original SRAM hubs yet.

The i-M 9 and the Alfine will take a disc brake. I believe you can get an adaptor to put a disc on the roller brake splines on a Nexus hub. SRAM 7's are readily available with no coaster brake but fitting a disc isn't possible.

In the UK Madison import (most) things Shimano. Fisher's import SRAM stuff. Roman Road Cycles and SJS do a lot of hub gear stuff too. Germany is a good place to source stuff - check out www.roseversand.de. Google around - I haven't got all the bookmarks on my company notebook.

I would guess that given your description of the intended use 7,8 or 9 gears would suffice. You can bias the range the way you want by changing the sprocket size - choose more lower gears at the expense of more higher gears or vice versa. A 36 spoke large flange hub gear in a 26" rim will give you a bomb proof wheel and a 700C will be strong too.

You will only get flat bar controls for & speed plus hubs. I believe SJS sell an extension that fits in the headset stack to fit one if you have drop bars. The other approach I've seen is to clamp a smaller diameter tube inside the end of a drop bar.

My recommendation would be a SRAM 7 - but only you know which factors are the most important.

edited for typos!
 
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blazingsaddles

Senior Member
Thanks very much for all that info. Looks like the Shimano Nexus 8 speed is the one we'll go for as its more readily available than the other hubs. I can't find a premade bike with a Sram fitted. Still its a shame as it looks good also.
A nearby cycle shop has a good offer on a Specialized Globe that I think will surfice.
I've come to admire the hubs. Less maintenence and more robust than derailleurs. Something about that apeals to me.

Regards,
bs
 

NickM

Veteran
blazingsaddles said:
A nearby cycle shop has a good offer on a Specialized Globe that I think will surfice.
I suggest that you ask the shop whether it is willing and able to do a hub service before buying a Nexus-equipped bike from them (especially if it is not the SG-8R36 model).

After all, they are bound to say "yes", aren't they? ;)
 

MartinC

Über Member
Location
Cheltenham
NickM raises a valid point. If you want an off the shelf bike in the UK then Shimano is pretty much the only option. They do need periodic maintenance (I think Mr S says every 2 years or 2K miles). This is only dipping the internals in oil but requires Nexus oil, an oil bath and the ability to take the intenals out (not that difficult). I guess you won't want to do this (otherwise you'd build your own bike!) and I think you may find an LBS who will want to do this properly.
 

tyred

Legendary Member
Location
Ireland
It really depends on the type of cycling intended but I wouldn't totally rule out a Sturmey Archer 3 speed. They are reliable and widely available and if your wife isn't into high intensity riding, the wide gap between the gears isn't too much of an issue. I find the one in my old Raleigh 20 works very well for me and there are a lot of hills in my area. The secret is choosing the correct size rear sprocket so it isn't overgeared.
 

ASC1951

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Or even a Sturmey Archer 5 speed. Not quite as widely available or with the legendary reliability of the 3 speed, but you do get a range from -33% to +50%.
 
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blazingsaddles

Senior Member
Ah well. Its done. Ordered a Specialized Globe Elite from Formby cycles, near Liverpool for £ 342.00. It was reduced from £ 450.00. They'll also post for free so that saves me 2-3 hours time and fuel. I'm not sure what model Nexus it is but it has V brakes front and back (so I suppose its the basic 8 speed nexus) and 32h for spokes, but its essential to keep it light for my wife to enjot it.
In reality she won't use it loads as she won't cycle like I do to the supermarket and locally, but when we're on days out or holiday she'll enjoy it on quieter roads.
I'm mechanically sound. Although I'm fairly new to cycling I'm on the tools all day so I shouldn't imagine stripping the hub will be beyond me.

Thanks again.

BS
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Sounds like just the job. If its not going to do high miles, its unlikely you'll ever have to go fishing around in the hub innards. The Thorn would have been massive overkill, I do about 2500 miles a year with mine and it still feels under-used.
 
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