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mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Liken their attitude to people who wanted "deviants" to wear coloured stars and triangles. That always goes down well 
Or those people who say women are "asking for it" if they don't wear Victorian dress.
It's amazing the motoring lobby isn't seen for what it is more often.
Or those people who say women are "asking for it" if they don't wear Victorian dress.
It's amazing the motoring lobby isn't seen for what it is more often.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Oh. I understand the question now. It's on Nottingham.ac.uk somewhere. I'll paste the link when I reach my desk if no one has yet.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/12855/ Miller, Phil (2012) The use of conspicuity aids by cyclists and the risk of crashes involving other road users: a population based case-control study. PhD thesis, University of Nottingham.
Erm , i was thinking of a you tube clip
but that will do nicely . Thankyou .
midliferider
Guru
- Location
- Northampton
At least a poor victim may be able to use this as evidence in courts when the murderers try to blame the victim.
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
How would they find you if you're invisible?that article that proves hi vis is not always better than black ? I'm having great fun on another forum with someone that i think wants to kill me because i wont wear a bright green top
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
"you tube clip" ain't an articleErm , i was thinking of a you tube clip
I can't find much about it on youtube beyond the usual "look! You're invisible if you're not ugly! common senz innit!!!1!" prejudiced junk. Closest is this demo from gaz that reflectives and lights are perfectly visible, even on a cyclist wearing all-black, although personally I don't think flashers or helmet lights are good ideas:View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3APH1Lw-4M
As I understand it, one argument against cycling in builder chic is that motorists aren't expecting to see what looks like a builder effectively floating along a road at 10-20mph, so their brain either filters you out as improbable (what Douglas Adams made fun of as the "Somebody Else's Problem field" IIRC) or misclassifies you as travelling at a slow walking speed because that's how fast builders usually move. That's part of the reason why reflectives on cycling clothing typically avoid formal hi-vis workwear patterns.
Another is that the Stokes shift that hi-vis relies upon to fluoresce doesn't happen at night because there's no UV.
And finally, if you're wearing yellow/green and cycling against a yellow/green background (rape seed, sunflowers, various other crops...) then it's not particularly easy to make out. In low-visibility conditions, I tend to prefer bright blue because I like it and the only blue crop I've seen around here is linseed, which is a dusky blue.
Justinslow
Lovely jubbly
- Location
- Suffolk
There's another forum?????that article that proves hi vis is not always better than black ? I'm having great fun on another forum with someone that i think wants to kill me because i wont wear a bright green top
I'm going to set up a fund, a bit like ianrauk's waving fund, for every time someone says hi vis doesn't work at night. Fluorescent clothing doesn't work, due to no UV. Hi Vis (exemplified by "builder chic") combines fluorescent and reflective, so the reflective bit works when hit by car headlights.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
But hi vis is reflective AND fluorescent, so it's not hi vis in that situation, but merely a misleading reflective pattern.
classic33
Leg End Member
There's this one...Erm , i was thinking of a you tube clip
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZRXlrJ3Mi0
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I found that while searching, but it's typical GCN, finding new ways to prop up the same old flawed roadie views. It could have been a useful comparison if they aimed the lights as anyone taking reasonable care would, but then it might have come out with a different conclusion than using the illegally-dazzling wide-beam lights. Similarly, why put one of the clothing tests next to a car's reflective number plate if not to undermine the reflective jacket and justify the space lemon look?
