what do you think of 'gear'?

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MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
Being a tight fisted northerner, I'm not taken with over priced parts and accessories as I don't believe they perform any better than their cheaper cousins.

I know some will disagree with me, but years ago I needed a new rear derailler and had no income at the time, so spent £6.99 on one, fitted it and set up the indexing and it worked a treat. A few months later, I had a disposable income so 'invested' in a Shimano XT derailler, which set me back £45. I fitted it, set up the indexing and it worked exactly the same as the 6.99 one... so that was £45 down the drain. Weight difference between the two is no more than a couple of paper clips, and performance is no better, so I fail to see where the extra money has gone.

My cheap platform pedals (£14ish) are far better than my friends almost identical branded platform pedals with sealed bearings and a £40-50 price tag (the paint is still on mine too, after 8 years, unlike his which flaked in a matter of months).

V-brakes... I just don't get it. Asside from knowing 2 poeple who've broken bones by hitting the front brake by mistake and have gone straight over the top, they defeat the object of efficient braking, being the point just before the wheel locks... a 'proper' caliper brake is far easier to keep at a point 'just before locking' than a v-brake. I've not tried disk brakes, but i don't like the look of the extra metal involved (it's all about reducing wieght at the end of the day).

I've just bought a new stem for £15ish, not had it long enough to praise it, but can't see what benefit it's £50+ alternatives offer.

A few years ago i was chatting with some bloke who claimed to have spent over a grand on his back wheel alone! surely no back wheel is worth that? It's a bloody wheel FFS!


bit of a rant I know, but when it comes to 'premium' bike bits, I really don't get it.
 

gavintc

Guru
Location
Southsea
If you can afford it, it is a better way of spending it than; at the bookies, on fags, on booze - activities on which 'northerners' seem to have an insatiable appetite for spending their hard earned.
 
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MontyVeda

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
If you can afford it, it is a better way of spending it than; at the bookies, on fags, on booze - activities on which 'northerners' seem to have an insatiable appetite for spending their hard earned.

totally disagree gavintc... booze gets me pissed :wacko: fags make me look hard :angry: spending £45 quid on a derailler that does the same thing as a £7 pound one is nothing more than money down the drain :blush:
 

TrevorM

New Member
Location
Belfast
I feel the same about cycling clothes. Back in the 80s when I did a lot of long distance touring I only wore ordinary cheap cotton t-shirts and they were just fine. When I came back to cycling this year I got distracted by all the new stuff and bought a £65 touring top. But they are all made of artifical fabric to make them stretchy and so they have to add wool or something to wick the mositure - but that's never 100% effective. After a few months I bought a pure linen shortsleeve shirt from M&S for £12 and it's the best summer cycling top I've ever used. It wicks away all the moisture and keeps you cool.
 

geo

Well-Known Member
Location
Liverpool
totally disagree gavintc... booze gets me pissed :wacko: fags make me look hard :angry: spending £45 quid on a derailler that does the same thing as a £7 pound one is nothing more than money down the drain :blush:

Each to their own I'd say,totally agree about no wheel being worth a grand. But if you belive fags make you "look hard" then perhaps your on the wrong forum !!!
 
totally disagree gavintc... booze gets me pissed :wacko: fags make me look hard :angry: spending £45 quid on a derailler that does the same thing as a £7 pound one is nothing more than money down the drain :blush:

Its a bit like the difference between drinking a cheap supermarket bran lager and a fine wine........... both will get you pissed, but one will be more fun
 

Moodyman

Legendary Member
It depends on your intended use.

A road or mtb racer will appreciate the smoothness and lightness of more expensive components, whereas a leisure rider won't.

Similary, a long distance commuter will appreciate the durability and performance of mid-range equipment more than the bottom end.

My stock Alivio derailleur worked fine for casual local rides, but I noticed it needed constant fine-tuning when I put it into long distance commuting service. Replaced with Deore LX and noticed a much improved performance.

But, on clothing, I find Aldi/Lidl are good enough. Yet, others wouldn't go near them.
 

surfdude

Veteran
Location
cornwall
i fitted an xt setup on my bike about 9 years ago and it still going strong and its done alot of miles and been beaten about with very little service to it . i would bet the 6.99 one would have been replaced by now a few times and you would have spent a small fortune on having it serviced and set up . you get what you pay for. give up the cancer sticks and get out on the bike more and you will start to appreciate the wonder and smoothness of the xt .
 
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MontyVeda

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
... you would have spent a small fortune on having it serviced and set up.

no need to spend money on service and set up as I can do that myself. In retrospect the cheap derailler was probably on for a few years rather than a few months... I set it up properly in the 1st place and gear changes were silent and smooth, and I was doing at least 45 miles a week to work and back. Changing to an XT and setting that up made no difference, gear changes are still silent and smooth.
 

Cheule

New Member
Location
Coventry
Being a tight fisted northerner, I'm not taken with over priced parts and accessories as I don't believe they perform any better than their cheaper cousins.

I suppose it boils down to how serious you are about your cycling. Some of us on here like me travel to work and back and over to my parents place 5 miles away on occasion, and no more. I'd probably not notice if one of my wheels fell off :smile: I too spend little, my biggest outlay was just 5 minutes ago on a pair of Shwalbe Marathon Plus tyres. But other than that £15 per part is about my limit.

Of course there are many more on here who cycle to the moon and back in a weekend and need lighter parts. If they have the cash to spend then fair enough, it's keeping businesses going in these dark times. :smile:

I am looking to take my camera out with me next year though and investigate the countryside, spead my wings a bit and see what it's all about :smile:
 

Eoin Rua

Active Member
Location
Belfast
I guess it depends on how much money you're willing to spend (whether or not you have it) and how serious you take your cycling...at the moment, being a student scrounger I don't necessarily have the money to afford the best for my bike so I have pretty low end bits and pieces on my bike e.g. pedals and computer etc - I guess when I have a steady income (fingers crossed) I can afford a 4 figure bike, but until that day I'll make do with what I've got and can afford! At the end of the day it still gets me from A to B :biggrin:
 

RecordAceFromNew

Swinging Member
Location
West London
IMHO in terms of money down the drain, this takes the biscuit.

However, the sensation of riding a light, finely-tuned road racer, or the plushness of a quality full suspension mtb is impossible to replicate without light, well designed, quality frames and components.

For example, an Alivio rear mech while perfectly serviceable is nearly 50% heavier than a good XT. The difference might only be circa 100 grams, but replicating this for every part of a bike will, and does, result in 15kg vs 10kg, £150 vs £1500 bikes. To me there is no question that such bikes feel different, but of course whether such difference is important, or is worth the money, is entirely dependent on the eyes of the beholder.

I am glad that many inexpensive components perform brilliantly. I am also glad that some expensive components do offer a meaningful edge.

Separately, I believe light, quality components do not have to be new and therefore expensive. For example, I have a 30 year old Campag super record rear mech that continues to function perfectly on my Record Ace. It weighs 190g. The current Campag super record rear mech, albeit crafted in carbon/ceramic etc., is only 10% lighter at 172g. It seems to me progress has been somewhat limited in many areas for "cycling gears", and as a result many quality vintage components/bikes can offer incredible value for money.
 
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