Triple chainset / hub gear combi - ?

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simongt

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Norwich
A while back, a manny who ran a bike shop claimed that if you wanted extra gears with a rear hub, all you had to do was retain the double / triple chainring and the rear derailleur mech. His idea was that the rear mech would take up any chain slack during front changing and also act as the necessary tensioner required with a hub if your bike has vertical dropouts. He insisted it would work, but I'm not convinced and anyway, if it does, why has no-one else thought of it - ? :whistle:
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Why not combine a freewheel with a hub gear?

Gives extra gears.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Back in the fifties, Cyclo produced a hub gear combined with a three speed derailleur. Again, it worked then, so why not now - ?
You can still buy the three speed cog for the SA hub gear.

Although I've a seven speed on a five speed hub with a triple chainset
 
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TheDoctor

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A while back, a manny who ran a bike shop claimed that if you wanted extra gears with a rear hub, all you had to do was retain the double / triple chainring and the rear derailleur mech. His idea was that the rear mech would take up any chain slack during front changing and also act as the necessary tensioner required with a hub if your bike has vertical dropouts. He insisted it would work, but I'm not convinced and anyway, if it does, why has no-one else thought of it - ? :whistle:
They have and it's been done. It's a common touring mod on Bromptons, you fit a double chainset and move the chain manually, as the tubes are all in the wrong place for a front mech.
Anyone who thinks they've got a brilliant new idea probably hasn't done their research...
 

Fab Foodie

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Kirton, Devon.
A while back, a manny who ran a bike shop claimed that if you wanted extra gears with a rear hub, all you had to do was retain the double / triple chainring and the rear derailleur mech. His idea was that the rear mech would take up any chain slack during front changing and also act as the necessary tensioner required with a hub if your bike has vertical dropouts. He insisted it would work, but I'm not convinced and anyway, if it does, why has no-one else thought of it - ? :whistle:
Yep you can do this. In fact a chain tensioner may be a cheaper solution than a rear derailleur to take up the slack.
My Brimpton has a 3 speed hub, 2 speed freewheel and a double chainset giving 12 gears.
 

StuAff

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Portsmouth
Got that on one of my bikes. Sram 3 x 7 (although it's a cassette not a freewheel). I think Sram call it a dual drive these days. Sturmey Archer do one too.
Yup, had two bikes with DualDrive. A few recumbent manufacturers combine it with a triple crank for 81 gears and an even more humungous range. SRAM do a 10 speed version as well now.
 

TheDoctor

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Pffft. Get an 11 speed cassette onto a Rolhoff hub, with a quad chainset and a mountain drive BB and we might be getting somewhere. Need a spreadsheet to work out the shift pattern, mind...
 

mythste

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Manchester
Genuine question - would it not defeat the point a bit? By the time you've added all the necessary bits would the low maintenence/robustness benefit be pretty much negated? plus you'll then have the extra weight to contend with!
 
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simongt

simongt

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Norwich
As an update, I've proposed the hub / chainset idea to Richard Freeman of Freeman's Cycles in Norwich and he is confident it will work, so he will be doing the business for me over the next couple of weeks. :bicycle:Advantage being that as the bike in question is my all weather commuter, then most of the gears are safely tucked away from dirt, wet, winter salt etc.. Should be interesting to see if I get any odd comments on the setup - ! :rofl:
 
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