Tommy Simpson documentary - BBC4 tomorrow

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montage

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Thanks chuffy!
 

Ludwig

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Yes it was a fascinating , moving and sad programme. There was four bike programmes on BBC 4 last night and was an amazing evening
 

Midnight

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The Tommy Simpson documentary was fascinating. It's a shame he never realised his ambition to become the first Brit to win the TdF. Very poignant. And it's a shame that we don't seem to have another Brit Grand Tour contender of the same calibre today.

Rob Penn's bike build was also fascinating to watch, as was the history of cycling. Thanks BBC. Can we have more please? :tongue:
 

MichaelM

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The Tommy Simpson documentary was fascinating. It's a shame he never realised his ambition to become the first Brit to win the TdF. Very poignant. And it's a shame that we don't seem to have another Brit Grand Tour contender of the same calibre today.

Rob Penn's bike build was also fascinating to watch, as was the history of cycling. Thanks BBC. Can we have more please? :tongue:

One willing to pump himself full of illegal substances to be able to push on beyond his natural ability?

Who was it who said "I remember the last look he gave me - he poked his tongue out and had 5 tablets on it."

It was known how far he'd go to win, they named his "drug of choice" (Todrin ?). Seems like double standards to me, he's looked back on through rose tinted glasses because he's british.
 

Midnight

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One willing to pump himself full of illegal substances to be able to push on beyond his natural ability?

Who was it who said "I remember the last look he gave me - he poked his tongue out and had 5 tablets on it."

It was known how far he'd go to win, they named his "drug of choice" (Todrin ?). Seems like double standards to me, he's looked back on through rose tinted glasses because he's british.

What I did admire about Simpson was his determination to win, and his ability to push himself to the limits of his natural abilities. In 1956, at the age of 19, he was part of the GB squad in the Melbourne Olympics. Later, he took himself off to France to get himself noticed. He was the first Brit to win the TdF maillot jaune, he won the World Pro Road Racing Championship, and performed admirably in a number of other events. He was enigmatic and popular with the public and other riders.

The use of drugs in cycling is well documented, and it was a mixture of Tonedrin and alcohol (in combination with the extreme conditions on Mt. Ventoux in '67) that ultimately cost Simpson his life, but don't be under the illusion that he was the only user in '67, or at every other Tour and other major sporting event since. I'm aware this doesn't excuse the use of drugs and I'm not sure if cycling will ever be totally free of drugs or other enhancements. But I can assure you that I would never condone the taking of performance enhancing drugs in any sport, whatever the offender's nationality.

I've never worn rose tinted glasses - the colour clashes with my bike, but do I have a bias to British riders? Well, speaking as an Englishman, then yes I do. Just as the Spanish cheer for Contador, Luxembourgers cheer for Schleck, Aussies cheer for Evans etc... I love to see the Brits doing well. But that doesn't mean that I don't have respect for riders of other nationalities - ALL the Tours contestants have my admiration. No double standards here!
 

Hont

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Anyone else disconcerted by the reconstructions? I found myself watching some of the contempory footage thinking it was another reconstruction. :wacko:

And anyone not familiar with the story must have wondered why his domestique was carrying brandy around with him. They didn't explain that at all. Some viewers must have been left with a very strange view of pro cycling.
 
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Chuffy

Chuffy

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Simpson was never really a realistic GC contender though, was he? He didn't have the climbing ability or the stamina make that extra leap onto the podium. That's not to say that he wasn't a brilliant cyclist, just look at his palmares, but he was more of a Classics rider. However the Tour was where the big money was and Simpson did like money, hence his desperation for a good result.

I'm ambivalent about him, always have been. Yes, he was an inspiration to many British riders and for a long time he was the best we had produced but he was also a doper who was thoroughly corrupted by the sport. I always think it's a bit odd when you have British fans hero-worshipping him but excoriating more modern drug cheats.
 

rich p

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I'm ambivalent about him, always have been. Yes, he was an inspiration to many British riders and for a long time he was the best we had produced but he was also a doper who was thoroughly corrupted by the sport. I always think it's a bit odd when you have British fans hero-worshipping him but excoriating more modern drug cheats.


+1

I was also a bit irritated by the bigging up of the monstrous Ventoux. They go up many HC climbs every year but it was the lethal cocktail of drugs and booze that made it so for Simpson.

OT, the idolising of Pantani by some is equally misplaced in my view.
 
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Chuffy

Chuffy

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+1

I was also a bit irritated by the bigging up of the monstrous Ventoux. They go up many HC climbs every year but it was the lethal cocktail of drugs and booze that made it so for Simpson.
Isn't Ventoux particularly grim though? Even the pros are frightened of it.

OT, the idolising of Pantani by some is equally misplaced in my view.
Oh good grief, don't get me started!
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