Spokes: Alex Rims AT400

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Gummo

Über Member
I've just broken a rear wheel spoke - I've emailed Superstar Components to see if they could point me in the direction of exact spares. In the meantime, anyone else been able to source them or compatibles elsewhere?

ESSENTIALS Road 2 - Heavy Duty Clearance Wheelsets
#98 - Alex Rims AT400 - 32 Spoke F/R

Gummo
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
You are probably best measuring the broken spoke (look up on-line on how to measure) and ordering a similar spoke off one of the bike stores on-line (or a few) if you can replace yourself. If not, pop the wheel into a bike shop for repair.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Remove wheel
If drive side (likely) remove cassette.
Unscrew a spoke from the same side as the broken one but opposite radius of wheel (leave nipple there obv).
Take to LBS. Buy new one (they can measure and hopefully have black/silver stock) - £1 for an 'Essentials' wheel.
Fit two spokes back in and tighten till they 'ping' the same as their neighbours and then true.
(You could even do this sitting outside the LBS! but no trueing.)
Take to LBS for a final true if you "can't" (will take them about two minutes in the jig).
Ride on.
 
Remove wheel
If drive side (likely) remove cassette.
Unscrew a spoke from the same side as the broken one but opposite radius of wheel (leave nipple there obv).
Take to LBS. Buy new one (they can measure and hopefully have black/silver stock) - £1 for an 'Essentials' wheel.
Fit two spokes back in and tighten till they 'ping' the same as their neighbours and then true.
(You could even do this sitting outside the LBS! but no trueing.)
Take to LBS for a final true if you "can't" (will take them about two minutes in the jig).
Ride on.

I'd suggest non drive side. That's where most breakages occur, something to do with torque transfer putting the greater load on that side. Hence why Campag among others use a radial pattern on the drive side and crossed on the other.
 

Proto

Legendary Member
Methinks you are confused smoking something.
Not just Campagnolo ……….

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Big John

Guru
Campag have some whacky, exotic ideas when it comes to lacing wheels I'll give them that. I came into possession of a rear Campag hub the other week that had nine holes on the one flange (non drive side) and eighteen holes on the other. I think it's the Mediterranean diet combined with the hot climate. And maybe Italian wine 🍷
 
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Gummo

Gummo

Über Member
Remove wheel
If drive side (likely) remove cassette.
Unscrew a spoke from the same side as the broken one but opposite radius of wheel (leave nipple there obv).
Take to LBS. Buy new one (they can measure and hopefully have black/silver stock) - £1 for an 'Essentials' wheel.
Fit two spokes back in and tighten till they 'ping' the same as their neighbours and then true.
(You could even do this sitting outside the LBS! but no trueing.)
Take to LBS for a final true if you "can't" (will take them about two minutes in the jig).
Ride on.
It broke right at the hub - the spoke measures 295mm. I've also taken a good one off - it also measures 295mm. Does that mean any spoke at that length will work or is there a diameter factor?
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Length is king. Preferable to get the same type of spoke: it'll either be plain gauge or double butted.
Edit: I have lurked back to see you paid <£40 for this wheelset in New Year 2023 and also that the spokes were described on the webpage as DB.
Plain is 2mm all through. DB is 2mm both ends and 1.8mm in middle (and will cost 20p more, ish).
For plucking purposes, the same is best but you'll likely not be able to tell by eye; with calipers: yes.
(A proper) LBS is your friend, unless you can bundle purchase with other 'needed' items.
 
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faster

Über Member
Campag have some whacky, exotic ideas when it comes to lacing wheels I'll give them that. I came into possession of a rear Campag hub the other week that had nine holes on the one flange (non drive side) and eighteen holes on the other. I think it's the Mediterranean diet combined with the hot climate. And maybe Italian wine 🍷

I've got a wheel with a similar hub - it works well and makes complete sense. One of the issues with a heavily dished conventionally spoked wheel is that the drive side spokes are tight, but the non drive side spokes are relatively loose. Only having half the number the radially laced spokes on the non drive side evens this up somewhat.

I'm not sure what the thinking is with having radial spokes on the drive side.

I'd suggest non drive side. That's where most breakages occur, something to do with torque transfer putting the greater load on that side. Hence why Campag among others use a radial pattern on the drive side and crossed on the other.

I've broken plenty of spokes, and they've all been drive side rear. I've read that theoretically it should be the non drive side that breaks because they are looser so experience larger variations in tension, but it doesn't seem to work out like that in practice for me.
 
Location
Loch side.
Lotsa confusion here. Firstly, the solution of just measuring an adjacent spoke and getting a new one is sound. It is basic stuff and spokes on crappy wheels are mere consumables.

Now for torsion, torque, opposite sides, crazy lacing etc.

1) Radial spokes cannot transmit torque.
2) A wheel manufacturer can make torque go through either the left or right side of a wheel.
3) Hubs with slender mid sections cannot transmit torque to the opposite side of the chain because small diameter tubes are poor at transmitting torque.

Therefore, the picture of the Mavic hub above tells us a few things. a) the torque is transmitted through the left spoke flange. See rule 1 above. The manufacturer knew what it was doing because it made the torque tube (hub centre) large and thick. I use right and left here as in the bike's right and left, not the picture above that's flipped.

Why do they do this? Because you guys (if the shoe fits and all that) insist on weighing your components and the mantra is "lighter is better".

By putting fewer spokes in a wheel you can make it lighter. Unfortunately fewer spokes compromise durability because spoke life is a function of cycles (miles) spoke tension (which is a function of quantity) and load. On a rear wheel there are two types of load to contend with namely your lard ass and your pedaling torque. Both these factors fatigue the spokes and they eventually break. Front wheels only contend with weight.

What Mavic has done in the example above, is to put the torque only through the lower-stressed (tensioned) spokes on the left by making the right spokes radial. It is an attempt to protect the right spokes from both weight and torque and let the higher-count. They could of course have done away with all this nonsense and just built wheels with enough spokes and all crossed. But that would not be glarly enough for hard-core racers. Campag, as much as I love the company, does similarly stupid things and I sometimes wonder where marketing and engineering should meet when it comes to these things.
 
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Gummo

Gummo

Über Member
I have lurked back to see you paid <£40 for this wheelset in New Year 2023
Reply from Superstar Components:

"sorry we no longer (for about 3+ years now) offer wheels and have no spokes left as the business was sold to a competitor
any bike shop will be able to replace standard spokes
."

Must've only been in a dream that I bought them 21 months ago.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Reply from Superstar Components:

"sorry we no longer (for about 3+ years now) offer wheels and have no spokes left as the business was sold to a competitor
any bike shop will be able to replace standard spokes
."

Must've only been in a dream that I bought them 21 months ago.

They had a massive sale 18 months ago - I got some nice shiny MTB wheels from them, as did many people (and road wheels)- they stopped selling wheels.

They take fairly standard spokes - just pop in a shop, or order on-line. Very fixable !
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Lotsa confusion here. Firstly, the solution of just measuring an adjacent spoke and getting a new one is sound. It is basic stuff and spokes on crappy wheels are mere consumables.

Now for torsion, torque, opposite sides, crazy lacing etc.

1) Radial spokes cannot transmit torque.
2) A wheel manufacturer can make torque go through either the left or right side of a wheel.
3) Hubs with slender mid sections cannot transmit torque to the opposite side of the chain because small diameter tubes are poor at transmitting torque.

Therefore, the picture of the Mavic hub above tells us a few things. a) the torque is transmitted through the left spoke flange. See rule 1 above. The manufacturer knew what it was doing because it made the torque tube (hub centre) large and thick. I use right and left here as in the bike's right and left, not the picture above that's flipped.

Why do they do this? Because you guys (if the shoe fits and all that) insist on weighing your components and the mantra is "lighter is better".

By putting fewer spokes in a wheel you can make it lighter. Unfortunately fewer spokes compromise durability because spoke life is a function of cycles (miles) spoke tension (which is a function of quantity) and load. On a rear wheel there are two types of load to contend with namely your lard ass and your pedaling torque. Both these factors fatigue the spokes and they eventually break. Front wheels only contend with weight.

What Mavic has done in the example above, is to put the torque only through the lower-stressed (tensioned) spokes on the left by making the right spokes radial. It is an attempt to protect the right spokes from both weight and torque and let the higher-count. They could of course have done away with all this nonsense and just built wheels with enough spokes and all crossed. But that would not be glarly enough for hard-core racers. Campag, as much as I love the company, does similarly stupid things and I sometimes wonder where marketing and engineering should meet when it comes to these things.

Thanks, that had never occurred to me.

And sure enough, disc brake wheels never come with radial spokes.
 
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