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BSA

Senior Member
Location
Sheffield
I have started to commute to work and I really enjoy it. My wife and I often have debates about how safe it is for me to cycle on the roads. I always shrugged off her concerns and explained how safe I felt it was and stated how many people get killed or injured driving cars.

She than asked me if I would be willing to take my son (currently 7 months old, so probably when he’s a bit older) in a child seat on the roads.

That proposal made me think and being honest I don’t think I would be happy with my son on the back of my bike; yet, I am more than happy to drive him all over the place.

So I lost the debate, is it false bravado on my part when I only have to think about myself or am I just an over protective parent (in which case why do I allow him to travel in a vehicle)

How do you feel?
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
Well the protective shell around a child in a car is slightly bigger...

When you first started cycling did you use quiet side roads and build upto the busier roads? If so maybe start the same way with your son - perhaps on a cycle trail first and get used to the balance/weight etc.

I used to think a friend was mad cycling with her son on the back - but when my kids were that age I hadn't rediscovered the bike. So I can't answer the question completely honestly as I don't know what I would have done with mine when they were little. My sister's kid loves it on the back of the bike.
 

Sh4rkyBloke

Jaffa Cake monster
Location
Manchester, UK
I don't think you lost the argument - having a weight on the back makes the bike less responsive and more difficult to control (especially when the weight moves all the time!!) so traffic coupled with this shifting weight makes it inherently more dangerous. There's no real difference in weight when they're in the car so it's a bit of a false comparison IMO.
 
I would quite happily have taken one of my kids on my commute if it was necessary. However, as nursery is just 500m around the corner I never had to.

The perception of the risk is way larger than the risk itself.

Also remember drivers 'generally' will give you more room if they spot the seat and the child. I'd just make sure the child was as visible as possible.
 

wafflycat

New Member
As soon as WMnr could sit properly, he was in a child seat on the back of my bike. I cycled on roads through town with him, as well as longer jaunts out into the countryside. He was under one-year-old. He's now passed his twentieth birthday and he's fit & healthy.
 
Stalk a few mums and borrow a child!
On a serious note - this will always be a personal decision as it is down to your confidemce and your safety assessment....but make it informed.

Have a chat with a few parents using kiddy seats / trailers etc and gettheir honest opinion of the pros and cons, and if you can borrow a suitable equipped bike (with child?) and see how you feel on a quiet road....

Or the N+1 option - go for a Bakfiets or similar - will take a child seat / carrycot and has the advantage of a wooden / metal frame to offer protection, it willthen upgrade to a car seat as the child grows older and then a bench seat - you could also go for a three wheeler such as a Christiana.

Both of these have the child in front which offers more vision.
 
From Josie Dew in the Guardian back in September:

Two Wheels:

Why don't more parents cycle with their babies or toddlers on the back of their bikes? I live in the overpopulated south of England and although I ride for two or three hours a day with my two-year-old daughter Molly strapped to her seat on my rear rack, months go by without me passing anyone else with a similar load. Were I in the Netherlands or Germany or Denmark I would be one of thousands sweeping along on two wheels with accompanying offspring. No one would bat an eyelid. But here I am treated like a rare species - the cause of much head-turning, pointing and smirking.

For Molly and I, travelling by bike is a normal, wonderful experience. Ever since she could hold her head up she has been planted in prime position on the back of my bike. During the early months, motorists might have been a little confused with our intended direction: Molly indicated right when we were turning left, or vice versa, more times than is healthy. But we always stayed upright.

So why don't more people do something that is easy, fun and costs so little? Judging from other parents' responses to me, it's because they don't have the confidence - they find the roads too dangerous and don't want to risk their child's safety - they don't have time, or they worry about their child getting wet and cold.

Wet and cold is good for a child - it makes them hardy. Pile on those layers and a pair of good waterproofs and sally forth in all weathers. Molly has been through freezing temperatures, torrential rain, hail, snow, buffeting winds and is yet to be ill. Nor have social services been on to me, so what I'm doing can't be that cruel.

There are, of course, those parents who would like to cycle with their small bundles of semaphoring joy but aren't confident enough riders to get the wheels turning. Confidence is all-important before you think about bunging a baby on board. I've cycled every day since I was 10, and have plenty of experience of how drivers react to cyclists and a good understanding of the rules of the road. Once you have attained that degree of trust in your ability, you can plant a baby on the bike. If you're worried about instability (in my experience, children do anything but keep still), practise cycling with a 15 kilo sack of potatoes - or better still a live cow.

The advantage of having a child attached directly on to your bike is that they are close to you: you can touch them, talk to them, show them things as you cycle along. And once they are a certain size (bigger than toddler, smaller than teenage) they can sit on a small seat in front of you on the top tube, cocooned in the relative safety zone of your arms and legs. This method is very popular in Japan and Holland and clear-screened farings are available that attach to the handlebars to keep off the worst of the wind and rain.

Another alternative is to tow a trailer. I have recently acquired a Molly-mobile - a sort of tent on wheels that even includes a boot to stash a lorryload of shopping. I have retained the child seat on the back so Molly now has a choice of seating area.

Naturally, being an articulated vehicle of considerable weight, we have slight haulage problems, in that we travel even slower than we used to. Luckily, along with taking delight in the painful slowness of the ascents, Molly also relishes the speed of the descents - top speed achieved so far is an eye-watering 36mph.

Rocketing downhill on a bike with a whooping infant is probably not the sort of advice you find in your average childcare manual - which is partly why it is so enjoyable. And when I reach the bottom of the hill it is sometimes quite a relief to find Molly still attached to her seat and not lost to the wind a mile back up the road. But for both of us, there is no better way to travel.
 

zimzum42

Legendary Member
I wouldn't want a kid behind me, certainly not in a trailer nicely at wheel level

i do like those seats that attach to the crossbar and let the kid sit nestled in your arms almost.....

another thing i never understand is people riding with their kids and letting the kid ride behind and not in front, madness...........
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
I've used both a child seat and a trailer for miniMikey 1.0, and will no doubt get another trailer for 2.0 when he's old enough. Now I regularly take 1.0 6 miles to school on a trailerbike. You'd be amazed how much better drivers are towards you when there's a child visible. I really don't think cycling is dangerous enough to worry about.

BSA, you can tell your wife that the benefits of cycling far outweigh the risks - on average regular cyclists are likely to outlive the rest of the population by 2 years each.

zimzum42 said:
I wouldn't want a kid behind me, certainly not in a trailer nicely at wheel level


And yet a trailer is safer than a child seat per this German safety review:
http://www.londonskaters.com/cycling/article-child-trailer-safety.htm
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
I don't think it's hypocritical to not want to cycle with your child on your back. If depends where you go. Quiter areas would be okay, but I wouldn't want to go along really busy roads, that I might commute along. If anything was to happen I'd think an adult would come off better than a baby.

I do think what other people have said about the extra weight could effect the outcome of a situation. Having your child on your back might make you cycle more safely and point out areas which you wouldn't worry about your saftey through.
 

wafflycat

New Member
When WMnr was a we'en, there was no such thing as a bike trailer to be had. The only option we found was a rack-mounted bike seat. Must admit, cycling with child on rear rack-mounted bike seat never felt unstable. Never had a spill and the offspring never fell out. If I was looking for bike transport for a we'en now, my preferred option would be for a trailer such as a Burley. My experience on a recumbent trike allows me to *know* that the wider & lower & stranger the bike looks, the more room given by motorists.
 

Danny

Legendary Member
Location
York
Use a bike seat with my son from a very young age, and then moved onto an Isla trailer-bike (sadly no longer made) when he was big enough to peddle.

The only time I ever had a problem was when I hit some black ice going round a corner. Even though I was going really slowly the extra weight of my son meant the bike went down pretty hard. However the seat had high sides and tool all the impact so my son was unharmed though understandably shaken and upset.

Interestingly the seat shattered into several pieces - I was never sure whether this was a fault, or whether it was designed to cope with heavy impacts by shattering in this way.
 
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