play in headset/forks

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Doyleyburger

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NCE West Wales
I took my giant defy out for the first time yesterday and everything was good but I noticed a fair bit of play in the headset...when I hold the front brake on and rock the bike back and forth a little, I can feel and see it move as significant amount where the forks meet the head tube. The bolt that goes through the top cap is nice and tight and I can't seem to get rid of the movement ?????
When turned the bike upside down its really noticeable and I get a gap of about 2mm up and down as well as the side play (If that makes any sense ?)
Any help would be greatly appreciated
 

L14M

Über Member
Are the side bolts tight?
 

L14M

Über Member
Yeah, its not safe either. It sounds like its missing a spacer or something, I'll let somebody more experienced than me say :smile:
 

cyberknight

As long as I breathe, I attack.
New bike?
Take it back
Sounds like the stem is not on tight enough as l14 m says the side bolts need to be loosened as well to allow you to get the top cap tight before you tighten them.
When you check the top cap undo it completely and make sure the top of the stem is a bit higher than the top of the fork so when the top cap is bolted down it can apply pressure to the fork top and make everything tight .I changed the stem on my MTB the other week and i had to put another spacer in as the new stem had a thinner clamp area so the top cap was not bolting down properly.
As i said at the start though if its a new bike take it back as its not really safe to ride by the sound of it.
 
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Doyleyburger

Doyleyburger

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Cheers @RecordAceFromNew yes I did.
@cyberknight , it seems to be the other way round....fork is about 2mm higher than stem.......
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Cubist

Still wavin'
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Ovver 'thill
Play in the headset is usually worn bearings. If you are confident with tools its a simple enough job.

The topcap bolt only eliminatess play during assembly. The headset is actually held in place by the stem. Undo the topcap bolt, then undo the stem pinch bolts with a hex key. Lift the stem and bars clear of the steerer, then pick out the seal, compression ring and any shims or seals, noting the assembly order.
The steerer will now drop out of the head tube.

You will now see the upper bearing race, which may be loose or caged bearings, or a sealed cartridge bearing. If loose bearings, being careful not to lose any, pick them out and clean them with a solvent or gt85. Remove any grease from the bearing cup and inspect for rust or scoring. If its badly pitted or scored you'll need to replace.it. If not, just repack it with clean grease and put the clean bearings back in. Obviously if the bearings are damaaged or.corroded you need to replace them.
Repeat for the lower race.

If the bearings are cartridge type you can check them for wear by using your fingers to turn the inner race surface. If they just feel dry or gritty, you can pick the seal off with a slim pick, flush the old grease.out with the straw of a can of gt85, and then add new grease with a syringe or grease gun before replacing the seal.

To reassemble, pack the crown race.on the fork crown with grease, slide the fork up into the headset being careful not to dislodge the bearings. Push the compression ring, seal and any spacers back in place, and then slide the stem on, leaving it loose for now. Now add the topcap.and bolt, ensuring the cap is.pressing down on either the stem or a spacer, not the steerer.

Tightn the topcap so thatt it just eliminates play, and allows the steerer to turn smoothly in the bearings. Now line up the bars and tighten the stem bolts tight enough to keep everything in place, but not so tight that it won't spin free in a crash.
 

RecordAceFromNew

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West London
Cheers @RecordAceFromNew yes I did.
@cyberknight , it seems to be the other way round....fork is about 2mm higher than stem.......

That is the problem. You can not set the preload when the steerer is higher. You need to introduce another spacer or swap one of the spacers with a (~4mm) taller one, set the preload, then tighten stem. Alternatively you can shorten the steerer...
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
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Ovver 'thill
Just seen its a new bike. Just undothr topcap, loosen the stem bolts, the the topcap bolt to eliminate play, tighten the stem bolts while .pushing down on the bars, do the the topcap and ride.
 

lpretro1

Guest
That will require either an additional 5mm spacer (on top of steerer or below - depends on if you want to raise the bars or not.) or the steerer cut down a bit. it will never tighten up properly like that. Wherever you got it from should be shot if that is a new bike...
 
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Doyleyburger

Doyleyburger

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NCE West Wales
Thank you ever so much for all your help. It does seem obvious now that there is a spacer missing. I will nip down to LBS to pick one up. If still any play I will check bearings etc....
Advice much appreciated Thanks
 
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