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sarahale

sarahale

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I'd have thought that a lightweight tyre would suit a lightweight rider better. I've never used that Schwalbe Durano tyre but it looks quite stiff and heavy to me; I prefer to use a light, cotton sidewall tyre and run the slightly increased risk of punctures because the trade-off in comfort is worthwhile as I grow older and less flexible. My son, my cycling buddy and I all use Veloflex Open Corsas, which are reckoned to be one of the smoothest-riding tyres around. They ride with a magical smoothness at 90 - 95 lbs and the grip is absolutely amazing (I ground a chamfer on the outside of my pedal recently in an informal race, cornering hard) and although they are quite flimsy, lightweight tyres, I don't think we suffer punctures any more often than anybody else. It might be a different story if we commuted and needed reliability on glass-strewn surfaces though.

This is what we use; we get a pair for £26 each: http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/veloflex-corsa-folding-tyre-twinpack-veloflex/


Thanks for the recommendation I may look into these for next year as I usually commute on my mtb but this year have decided to use the road bike as I'm taking part in ride London so the more comfy on it the better. Sadly my commute is fairly puncture prone!
 

oldjontrev

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Could also be Angina
 

Globalti

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Blimey! It could also be that the OP is actually sensing that the world is about to disappear into a black hole. Been good to know you all!
 

Ajax Bay

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Caused by the warm blood getting back into your hands
Probably this since you don't otherwise experience it. I don't think this is hypothermia: none of the other normal symptoms have presented.
Going further than @Globalti on pressures, I think that running 85psi (where do you get this as the 'minimum' btw) in your 28mm tyres (Schwalbe Durano Plus Performance) is much too muc
h, given you say you are 'small' (therefore assume lightweight), and this will reduce the damping effect of correctly (less) inflated tyres. For a 70kg load (bike and rider) I'd be looking at 50psi in the front tyre and 70psi in the rear. See the attachment which is widely accepted good practice.
 

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Probably this since you don't otherwise experience it. I don't think this is hypothermia: none of the other normal symptoms have presented.
Going further than @Globalti on pressures, I think that running 85psi (where do you get this as the 'minimum' btw) in your 28mm tyres (Schwalbe Durano Plus Performance) is much too muc
h, given you say you are 'small' (therefore assume lightweight), and this will reduce the damping effect of correctly (less) inflated tyres. For a 70kg load (bike and rider) I'd be looking at 50psi in the front tyre and 70psi in the rear. See the attachment which is widely accepted good practice.


Little confused as on the side of the tyre it tells me between 85 and 125 (I think) psi. Is this not min and max?

I'm 54kg and bike is possibly 5kg, that's a complete guess, was only a £500 avanti so not super light but compared to the mtb it is.
 

Ajax Bay

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When I checked, the tyres' spec does indeed say 85-115. Because I was surprised I asked Wiggle and was told "60 is fine". They couldn't say why Schwalbe had such a minimum or its rationale (searched Schwalbe sites too). But given your 28mm tyres could be run by a 100kg giant (bloke) on a 12kg bike (say) and he's on 100-115 ie max, and they don't suffer from snakebites: at 54kg plus your bike (which is 10kg btw not 5) your tyres are carrying half the load (give of take) and for the same tyre deflection you'd need to run pressures circa half. The read off for you on the chart is: 44 front and 61 rear. Also see xl sheet attached.
Formula for 28mm is 1.76 x wt(kg) - 7. This gives the total pressure needed divided between front and rear as you determine (see recommendations in article). For 25mm the figure is 2.1 (instead of 1.76) and for 37mm it is 1.13 (instead of 1.76).

Besides the BQ Vol 5 No 4 (2006) Optimizing Your Tire Pressure for Your Weight article I attached to my last post, there's this:
http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/optimal_bike_tire_pressure
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...MYkrWs4-jH6FGwpT-L0JXq2XygMIgm0&revision=1358


BQ Vol 5 No 4 (©2006 Vintage Bicycle Press)
Optimizing Your Tire Pressure for Your Weight

Inflating your tires to achieve 15% tire drop will optimize your bicycle’s performance, comfort and handling. Our tests of tire
resistance have shown that tire resistance is high at very low pressures. As pressures increase, tires roll faster, but the performance
levels off at a certain pressure. Beyond this point, higher inflation brings only negligible performance improvements.
Optimum pressures
Riding your tires at this “cut-off” pressure optimizes both comfort and performance. At lower pressures, you roll slower. At higher
pressures your bike is no faster, but much less comfortable. Our tests of the same tires at various pressures determined the
optimum pressure for each tire for our rider/bike combination. How does this translate for other riders and other tire widths?
I compared our results with Frank Berto’s charts for tire drop, and found that the “cut-off” pressure corresponds roughly to a
tire drop of 15%. Perhaps not coincidentally, 15% is the tire drop recommended by several tire manufacturers.
Tire drop is the amount the bicycle is lowered as the tires deform under the load of bike and rider.
Tire drop
Measuring tire drop is not easy. Fortunately, Frank Berto already has done it for us. The chart below shows the pressures required
for different rider/bike weights to achieve a tire drop of 15% with tires of various widths. Berto measured this for 700C tires, but the
values apply to other tire sizes as well. Note that the weights are wheel loads, not the weight of the entire bicycle.
Determining the wheel loads of your bicycle
[Use front 40-45%; rear 55-60%]
Over- and underinflation
The table below shows that narrow tires require very high pressures, otherwise the tire drop exceeds 15%. On the other hand,
wide tires do not require high pressures for optimum comfort and speed. Inflating tires to the maximum pressure recommended by
the manufacturer tends to underinflate narrow tires and to overinflate wide tires.
Conclusion
Tire pressures that correspond to 15% tire drop will optimize your bike’s performance and comfort on average road surfaces. On
very rough roads or unpaved roads, it may be useful to reduce the pressure. On very smooth roads, increasing the pressure slightly
may improve the performance of your bike.

Example: Rider and bike weight: 100 kg. Weight distribution:
45%/55%. Wheel loads: 45 kg/55 kg. Tire pressures for 20 mm tires: 125 psi/155 psi. Tire pressures for 37 mm tires: 45 psi/53
psi. For heavy riders/bikes, narrow tires require very high inflation pressures, and wide tires are a better choice.
 

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When I checked, the tyres' spec does indeed say 85-115. Because I was surprised I asked Wiggle and was told "60 is fine". They couldn't say why Schwalbe had such a minimum or its rationale (searched Schwalbe sites too). But given your 28mm tyres could be run by a 100kg giant (bloke) on a 12kg bike (say) and he's on 100-115 ie max, and they don't suffer from snakebites: at 54kg plus your bike (which is 10kg btw not 5) your tyres are carrying half the load (give of take) and for the same tyre deflection you'd need to run pressures circa half. The read off for you on the chart is: 44 front and 61 rear. Also see xl sheet attached.
Formula for 28mm is 1.76 x wt(kg) - 7. This gives the total pressure needed divided between front and rear as you determine (see recommendations in article). For 25mm the figure is 2.1 (instead of 1.76) and for 37mm it is 1.13 (instead of 1.76).

Besides the BQ Vol 5 No 4 (2006) Optimizing Your Tire Pressure for Your Weight article I attached to my last post, there's this:
http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/optimal_bike_tire_pressure
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...MYkrWs4-jH6FGwpT-L0JXq2XygMIgm0&revision=1358


BQ Vol 5 No 4 (©2006 Vintage Bicycle Press)
Optimizing Your Tire Pressure for Your Weight

Inflating your tires to achieve 15% tire drop will optimize your bicycle’s performance, comfort and handling. Our tests of tire
resistance have shown that tire resistance is high at very low pressures. As pressures increase, tires roll faster, but the performance
levels off at a certain pressure. Beyond this point, higher inflation brings only negligible performance improvements.
Optimum pressures
Riding your tires at this “cut-off” pressure optimizes both comfort and performance. At lower pressures, you roll slower. At higher
pressures your bike is no faster, but much less comfortable. Our tests of the same tires at various pressures determined the
optimum pressure for each tire for our rider/bike combination. How does this translate for other riders and other tire widths?
I compared our results with Frank Berto’s charts for tire drop, and found that the “cut-off” pressure corresponds roughly to a
tire drop of 15%. Perhaps not coincidentally, 15% is the tire drop recommended by several tire manufacturers.
Tire drop is the amount the bicycle is lowered as the tires deform under the load of bike and rider.
Tire drop
Measuring tire drop is not easy. Fortunately, Frank Berto already has done it for us. The chart below shows the pressures required
for different rider/bike weights to achieve a tire drop of 15% with tires of various widths. Berto measured this for 700C tires, but the
values apply to other tire sizes as well. Note that the weights are wheel loads, not the weight of the entire bicycle.
Determining the wheel loads of your bicycle
[Use front 40-45%; rear 55-60%]
Over- and underinflation
The table below shows that narrow tires require very high pressures, otherwise the tire drop exceeds 15%. On the other hand,
wide tires do not require high pressures for optimum comfort and speed. Inflating tires to the maximum pressure recommended by
the manufacturer tends to underinflate narrow tires and to overinflate wide tires.
Conclusion
Tire pressures that correspond to 15% tire drop will optimize your bike’s performance and comfort on average road surfaces. On
very rough roads or unpaved roads, it may be useful to reduce the pressure. On very smooth roads, increasing the pressure slightly
may improve the performance of your bike.

Example: Rider and bike weight: 100 kg. Weight distribution:
45%/55%. Wheel loads: 45 kg/55 kg. Tire pressures for 20 mm tires: 125 psi/155 psi. Tire pressures for 37 mm tires: 45 psi/53
psi. For heavy riders/bikes, narrow tires require very high inflation pressures, and wide tires are a better choice.


Thank-you, a very interesting and informative reply. I will certainly be following your advice and I will pass this information onto my brother who is also a keen road rider who has always believed that the harder the tyre the better!

I'm interested to see if I notice a difference in comfort, I've been feeling every bump on the road but that is probably as I'm used to riding my hardtail.
 

Dec66

A gentlemanly pootler, these days
Location
West Wickham
I got pins and needles in my hands on a 24 miler the other day, numbness in the fingers too, never known anything like that before on such a short ride.

I know why; I raised the saddle and changed the angle of dangle, in an attempt to tackle the soreness in the perineum I've been having by ensuring that the fat part of the saddle is properly under my seat bones, and in doing so I'm putting more weight onto my hands (I mainly ride on the hoods, apologies to the purists).

I'm thinking more gel padding, but I may need a total rethink.
 
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sarahale

sarahale

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Did 45 miles this morning, feet still cold but no pins and needles! Will adjust tyre pressure when I'm back from seeing to my horse and try lower ones out on next ride!
 
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