Operation Puerto outcomes?

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Flying_Monkey

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Since there isn't a specific thread here (at least there hasn't been for a while), I want to start one about the outcomes of the Operation Puerto trial. I know it's a trial about medical issues, not doping per se but there has been so much revealed about doping practices with so many riders (and many in other sports), that the implications, if they are followed, are massive.

Cyclingnews had a really interesting Top 10 Quotes from the Puerto Trial today, which is worth reproducing in full as a place to start...

"1.Unai Osa (racing in the Giro) and Fuentes, phone conversation: Unai Osa: “Is ‘Little Hands’ going to bring me a yoghurt? Fuentes: “I don’t know if the milk went off at the dairy but the yoghurts have gone bad....it’s a yoghurt that lasts a long time and which you don’t have to put in the fridge. You can eat it one day and the next and the day after your stomach is full.” Osa: “A little yoghurt right now would be great.”
2. Fuentes, phone conversation from May 2006, when he suspected - but did not know - that his phone was being tapped. “First I want to say hello to everybody who’s listening in. This is an audio taping test that two friends are testing to see if somebody picks up on this story and then somebody wants to play some kind of joke on us. This is a joke. But, just as a joke, the yoghurt has to be diluted in half a litre of serum.”
3. Serrano: "I didn't know where Doctor Fuentes was, but I needed a doctor who knew Italian...I'm sure that the only reason Clara [his wife] sent an sms to Fuentes was to have him as a translator." Marcos Serrano's explanation why he contacted Fuentes via his wife from an Italian hospital during the 2006 Giro d'Italia, when he fell ill.
4. José Antonio Escuredo, Olympic silver medallist in 2004 and Spanish national trainer, explaining his phone conversations with Fuentes: “I asked him for advice and for melatonin, a sleeping pill, that isn’t available in Spain. I was going to Japan and I needed it [for the jetlag], but it’s not a doping product.”
5. Journalist: “Can I ask you something, Mr. Fuentes?” Fuentes: “Can I ask you something? Where can I get a taxi?” Fuentes on the first day of the trial showing he knows how to keep his cool when confronted with a vast press pack.
6. Journalist: “What do the symbols RSOC refer to?” Fuentes: “No idea. Maybe a nice type of wine.” Fuentes dodges the question of whether - as is widely thought - the letters RSOC in one of his doping programs refer to one of Spain’s top football teams.
7. Jörg Jaksche when asked to clarify his performance in the 2006 Tour de Suisse. "I said it wasn’t a race, more of a club championships. He asked me to clarify what I meant. So I said ‘yes, it was a club championship. The winner of the race was Jan Ullrich, a client of Fuentes, second was Koldo Gil, a client of Fuentes, third was me, fourth was Vicioso, another Fuentes client, sixth was Fränk Schleck’. Everyone in the court, even the judge was laughing. It was ridiculous.”
8. Fuentes, phone conversation to ‘laboratory co-director’ Merino Batres concerning Ivan Basso in the 2006 Giro: “I’ve got to sort this out, because at the end of the day, I’m the one who’s responsible. ‘Birillo’ [Ivan Basso] is waiting... and what should I say to ‘Birillo’? That there’s no food. Things are getting out of hand and he’s in a place where it’s impossible to take him sandwiches. We’d been planning for months to take him a sandwich this weekend. If there’s no sausage, I’ll give him chorizo or cheese. We had promised him a couple of ice lollies [blood bags].”
9. Fuentes, on the third day of the trial, to the presiding judge: “If you ask me, I will identify all the codes of all the bags of my clients.” Judge’s response: “No, I will not ask you. In that instance the right of the defence not to answer prevails, and I’m not gong to ask you to do it.” Arguably what could have been (but wasn’t) the crunch moment of the trial so far: Fuentes says he knows exactly whom the 223 bags of blood - of which 51 have not been located - belong to. The judge says it will not be necessary to reveal that.
10. "The worst reaction I had was in 2004 when I had a re-infusion during the 2004 Tour de France and as far as I could tell all of the blood wasn't stored properly," Hamilton said. "The reason why I knew that 30 or 40 minutes later when I went to the bathroom, my urine was black." Tyler Hamilton reveals to the Madrid court how he fell ill after a re-infusion."
 

Lee_M

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why would the judge not want the names for the bags of blood?
 
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Flying_Monkey

Flying_Monkey

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why would the judge not want the names for the bags of blood?

I know, that was very suspicious. Especially as Fuentes had volunteered this, which meant there was no question of him exercising his right not to answer. The judge was acting like a defence lawyer.
 

Haitch

Flim Flormally
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Netherlands
Where did these quotes come from? If you search for them on Google the only source is the same Cyclenews website.
 

yello

Guest
why would the judge not want the names for the bags of blood?

It could be procedural.

Judge’s response: “No, I will not ask you. In that instance the right of the defence not to answer prevails, and I’m not gong to ask you to do it.”

Perhaps there's a legal definition of prevail which is relevant here.
 

thom

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The Borough
why would the judge not want the names for the bags of blood?
Fuentes is being charged on public health grounds, not for the fact he was assisting in doping. As such, naming clients without their permission is probably a breach of confidence and medical ethics and actually has no bearing on what Fuentes is accused of.

edit: I think this is a point which WADA have challenged already and indeed the judge had/has extended the period within which WADA can submit a legal argument in appeal to get the names made public.
 

Buddfox

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London
Where did these quotes come from? If you search for them on Google the only source is the same Cyclenews website.

You may have also searched in this form, but wouldn't the original quotes have been in Spanish?

Number 3 is hilarious.
 

BJH

Über Member
Sounds like they don't want to open the can of worms any wider - probably very embarrassing for lots of Spanish footballers and tennis stars
 

Buddfox

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London
To be fair it doesn't really have anything to do with this actual case and as has been pointed out already it probably breaches patient confidentiality, as well as risking other law suits I guess.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
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Brighton
My guess is that the names won't be revealed but the wheels of Spanish justice are grinding slowly to a conclusion.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operacion-puerto-verdict-set-for-april-30
The 216 blood bags seized during Operacion Puerto – which belong to 36 different athletes, are currently in storage in Barcelona’s anti-doping laboratory. Judge Julia Patricia Santamaría is set to reveal on Tuesday whether the relevant sporting authorities will be allowed to cross-check the DNA of the blood bags in order to identity all of the Fuentes clients.
 

oldroadman

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My guess is that the names won't be revealed but the wheels of Spanish justice are grinding slowly to a conclusion.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operacion-puerto-verdict-set-for-april-30
The 216 blood bags seized during Operacion Puerto – which belong to 36 different athletes, are currently in storage in Barcelona’s anti-doping laboratory. Judge Julia Patricia Santamaría is set to reveal on Tuesday whether the relevant sporting authorities will be allowed to cross-check the DNA of the blood bags in order to identity all of the Fuentes clients.

A guess might be that the judge will say no. The charges relate to public health offences, because at the period of the alleged offences, doping was not a criminal offence in Spain. The reason for not disclosing identities are quite likely to be because there will be some very powerful people behind major sports who will be mightily embarrassed by some of the details. Look back and see how government ministers got involved in the Alberto and his infamous steak matter, there is omerta culture still about at the very highest level of public life in Spain.
 
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