Olympics women road selection

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oldroadman

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Not that the Olympics are so vital to a pro....
Can anyone explain how Pooley is getting a place in the women's team (only 3 riders?) ahead of King - or Weaver, for that matter?
From the bits I saw live and on TV at the women's ToB, she was either hanging off the back on the flat and climbs, and off the back on descents. Looks like she is now a triathlete trying to push her way back in.
4th in the women's TT champs over a minute down on a rider who is nowhere near the GB squad. Team for me would be Armistead, Harris, King, with either King or Harris for the TT. At least they can actually ride a bike in a peloton and win!!!
 
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Feel sorry for Dani, I don't get it either.
 
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I've seen something which suggest the TT at Rio is very technical with difficult descents, never mind the climbs. Which needs a high level bike handler, which for all her past achievements and talent, Pooley is not. That's the point, it's all in the past and from what I can see the standard of womens racing has improved a massive amount, while Pooley is a couple of years older and at the same level as before - or am I coming to the wrong conclusions?
 
Pooley has the pedigree but it's worrying to look at her form. Nikki Harris has ridden superbly and deserves her place but it's really hard on King and she's absolutely right to point to the different selection criteria being used.

I was also shocked to see Pooley say she still has to prioritise her triathlon sponsors.
 

resal

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I've seen something which suggest the TT at Rio is very technical with difficult descents, never mind the climbs. Which needs a high level bike handler, which for all her past achievements and talent, Pooley is not. That's the point, it's all in the past and from what I can see the standard of womens racing has improved a massive amount, while Pooley is a couple of years older and at the same level as before - or am I coming to the wrong conclusions?

Pooley's times in training are well below that she used to do. I am amazed elite athletes use Strava.

Yes you are coming to the wrong conclusion and trying to assuage your normal viewpoint as you consume cloud space.

You know, just like I do, that the 2014 women's world road championships was run off at a snails pace compared to what the women could produce in the years before this. That pathetic race resulted in the women being told to keep the pace up for the 2015 World Champs. That then gave us an entirely false race with riders just going to the front and grinding away merely to keep the average speed up, because they had been told to do so. Off the back of that we had the most whacky finish to the World Champs for many a long year, however still better and fairer than the farce of the 2014 finish. The women's peloton is currently recovering but by a number of measures it is still emaciated by comparison to what had gone before it.

Armitstead has been offered exactly what she was offered in 2012 - "pick a rider to support you". She has done. Sadly she is the only ever female to have been granted that privilege.

BC Staff have selected Pooley for the TT with the guilty conscience of 2012 still in their minds. The pan flat London TT course was selected for Brad as the RR was selected for Cav. Stuff reigning World TT champ Pooley - she was a girlie and did not count. With Brad's spot in history now secure - "the men did it first" - they now have space to pretend to want to do right by her. Now they have selected her on a course that suits her talents. If she doesn't win at least she had her chance. Conscience assuaged..

This whole sorry saga has nothing to do with who is best and is yet another sign of the malaise that has rested so long at the heart of BC.
 

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I've seen something which suggest the TT at Rio is very technical with difficult descents, never mind the climbs. Which needs a high level bike handler, which for all her past achievements and talent, Pooley is not. That's the point, it's all in the past and from what I can see the standard of womens racing has improved a massive amount, while Pooley is a couple of years older and at the same level as before - or am I coming to the wrong conclusions?

I think I've read somewhere that EP recognises that the standard in women's racing has gone up enormously in the last two years. She did okay in the Aviva Tour, but was mid pack at best. For the Olympic RR there are plenty of British riders who will do better.

The TT crowd were banging the drum for Hayley Simmons, great rider, but Rio course not best suited for her. She has struggled in RR's this year, I think she failed to finish any of the Belgian one day races, and she's quit UHC. Best leave her at home.

So realistically we don't have a tt contender, so we should give the third spot to someone who can help Lizzie. Dani King ticks all the boxes. Has worked tirelessly for her team all season and has got great results. Always at the sharp end. A safe bet.

Others to consider would be Molly Weaver, in great form, or one of the Barnes sisters.

I'd be tempted to give the slot to Claire Rose. Super strong, an exceptional TT'er and having a good road season. 2nd in the Curlew Cup last week on a fairly tough course. She also won the Beacon Road Club mountain TT in Wales by a huge margin (beat most of the men, i believe), so could ruffle feathers in Rio.
 
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Viking

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I have no favourites in this selection process but I think Dani King is at least owed an explanation (possibly not for public release). EP's selection (and I have no ill will towards her) seems strange from an objective point of view. Dani has been very supportive of BC recently. The lack of openness regarding the selection thought process seems an odd way to treat someone who has put so much into b(small b)ritish cycling
 
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Pooley's times in training are well below that she used to do. I am amazed elite athletes use Strava.

Yes you are coming to the wrong conclusion and trying to assuage your normal viewpoint as you consume cloud space.

You know, just like I do, that the 2014 women's world road championships was run off at a snails pace compared to what the women could produce in the years before this. That pathetic race resulted in the women being told to keep the pace up for the 2015 World Champs. That then gave us an entirely false race with riders just going to the front and grinding away merely to keep the average speed up, because they had been told to do so. Off the back of that we had the most whacky finish to the World Champs for many a long year, however still better and fairer than the farce of the 2014 finish. The women's peloton is currently recovering but by a number of measures it is still emaciated by comparison to what had gone before it.

Armitstead has been offered exactly what she was offered in 2012 - "pick a rider to support you". She has done. Sadly she is the only ever female to have been granted that privilege.

BC Staff have selected Pooley for the TT with the guilty conscience of 2012 still in their minds. The pan flat London TT course was selected for Brad as the RR was selected for Cav. Stuff reigning World TT champ Pooley - she was a girlie and did not count. With Brad's spot in history now secure - "the men did it first" - they now have space to pretend to want to do right by her. Now they have selected her on a course that suits her talents. If she doesn't win at least she had her chance. Conscience assuaged..

This whole sorry saga has nothing to do with who is best and is yet another sign of the malaise that has rested so long at the heart of BC.

Care to explain the highlighted bit, or just the usual vitriol towards those who may even agree with your viewpoint at times?
 

resal

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Care to explain the highlighted bit, or just the usual vitriol towards those who may even agree with your viewpoint at times?
Yes, sorry that was a bit over the top by me.

Proto - Pooley has been putting her effort into Ironman Tri. The prize-money is far better and it suits her talent set far better, a logical move no-one would deny her. None of us have access to her training diary but join strava and a wealth of information is available on all manner of people. Any athlete would be defying logic if, having specialised in one field of athletic endeavour for many years they switched to another and conducted specialised training in that field, if they could maintain performance in the first field. It just does not happen. A narrative convenient to the current misrepresentation, is to start the clock "Pol Pot" style, at the time it became convenient for British Cycling and their camp followers in the English speaking cycling media, to invent women's road cycling. Necessary to that group-think is that standards have improved, since year zero. Iron man Tri is never going to get to the Olympics in Pooley's competitive life span and Olympic Tri does not suit her talents, so cycling opens the only door to converting silver into Gold. It does Pooley no harm to subscribe to the currently convenient narrative pushed out by the BC establishment and she was, after all, BC's favourite for resource and support for a significant period in the past.

Viking - I have a lot of time for Dani King but Rochelle Gilmour only ever plays an obvious media card, in the style that has so badly served the sport through the last 40 years. King, had recently both lost her place in the TP squad and her place on the Podium Program and was thus only an outside chance for the road selection. When the spat blew up between Sutton and Varnish, it was noticeable that both Brailsford and Wiggins, the two most powerful voices who could have spoken up for Sutton, were both silent. Similarly it was interesting to see who actually spoke up for Sutton. I can have no idea but King's early experience with BC would not have made her a front-runner for becoming a leading spokesman for the "support the Australian one" campaign, rather the opposite. That she spoke up so strongly and that her view had such widespread media attention, ie circulated to the press - had the finger prints of a stage managed piece by Gilmour all over it. A cynical move to ingratiate this rider with the BC establishment ? An extension of a campaign run by Gilmour to influence selection run for several months ?

Removing myth from fact over relative capability to support Armitstead on this course is going to be difficult. Amitstead and in her conversations with the selectors will intimate that they are both hoping that Pooley is capable of a single substantive attack that causes her rivals to consume significant resource on a counter move and thus tip the scales in her favour. If so it might be worth while pondering the Wolrd Championships at Zolder in 2012 when Pooley did have great form on the bike and the race was on a course that did suit her. This was going to be her best ever shot at the RR title. Pooley needed the assistance of Armitstead to play the role Armitstead now seeks for Pooley, but this meant Armitstead playing second fiddle. Armitstead had some library books she needed to take back that day or somesuch and could not attend. At the time I was astonished. That nobody in the cycling press picked up on it, I found depressing but expected.
 
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Viking

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resal re your reply to me, all fair points. I don't know, nor would speculate about, the underlying motives of those involved but a bit more transparency regarding the process, if it is possible, would not go amiss. That was/is my wish; nothing more, nothing less.
 
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