Olympic track programme reforms (and your five events)

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Skip Madness

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The current fuss surrounding the proposed changes to the Olympic track schedule is bugging me. For those who don't know, the UCI - acting under pressure from the IOC - is proposing that due to the last Olympics having seven track events for men and only three for women, London sees parity between the genders: five events each. To achieve this, it is suggested that they will drop the individual pursuit, points race and madison, and introduce a women's team sprint, keirin and team pursuit plus the omnium for both genders.

It's understandable that those who specialise in the events that may go will be frustrated, but I think too much of the emphasis has been on the men having their events dropped and not enough on the new opportunities for the women. As well as many of the male riders whingeing about this, Rebecca Romero recently joined in:
The Guardian said:
"I was very shocked," she said. "I'm all in favour of making it fairer between males and females, but I just think these proposed changes are ludicrous and could potentially destroy track cycling. I think it's too radical and unnecessary and I can't understand the reasoning behind it.

"I thought changes to the Olympic programme were supposed to create inclusion and I just see that it will create exclusion to have such big changes. If the IOC let it go through then there has to be some reasoning behind it – I'd like to have it explained to me."
I'm not the IOC or the UCI, but I'll try explaining it: it introduces two extra events for women. It does create inclusion - the inclusion of a women's team sprint, keirin and team pursuit. Romero could elect to take part in that last one and win exactly the same number of medals she won in Beijing.

In a way it all seems ridiculous, because as I have argued in the past I believe that at the Olympics both men and women should have full track programmes comparable to those at the World Championships (athletics would never accept having the 800m, 1500m, 3000m, 5000m, 10000m, high jump, pole vault, hammer and discus missing from the Olympics, when effectively that's what the track cyclists have to put up with). The IOC's stubbornness in doggedly sticking to x number of medals and the associated juggling act being played is totally pointless. But if track cycling is going to be subject to a maximum of 10 medals then it's more important that there is gender equality than the men getting to have more events just because they like having them.

Some are arguing that the inclusion of the omnium is a bad idea because it's not a well-established event, and means dropping a better-regarded one. Although I like the omnium, I sympathise with that rationale because despite it providing mini-opportunities for some of the events that are dropped (points race, scratch, individual pursuit, time-trial), its broad nature means that specialists in any one discipline will probably give it a miss to favour better all-rounders.

Cycling News is running an article [edit - now to be found here] positing that the changes may kill endurance cycling due to the individual pursuit and points race being discarded. That is overblowing it. The points race will survive for - if no other reason - that a lot of the road riders like to race it during the winter to stay in good condition since it suits their characteristics better than most other track events (the scratch not being in the Olympics hasn't killed that event). Individual pursuiting will survive on the non-Olympic calendar, too, because a good team pursuit (which will still be there - and for both genders this time) will need four decent individual pursuiters, and the presence of both pursuits in the World Cup and World Championships will provide healthy competition.

In fact, if the argument that these changes will strangle endurance cycling were true, then in addition to the scratch, the time trials and the women's team pursuit would too already be dead since they have been missing from the Olympics. But those three events are very much alive.

So broadly I welcome the changes, for bringing gender equality to the forefront without destroying the track programme. However, the one change I would make would be to replace the omnium with the points race, the best track event. The others I would probably agree with the UCI on, although it wouldn't make any difference to me if the team sprint were replaced with the individual pursuit or the time trial.

There are three main questions I would like to ask in this thread:

(1) Is there anyone who thinks maintaining the Beijing programme is more important than introducing gender equality?
(2) Assuming the case of gender equality, what would your five events be?
(3) How far can the track survive without the Olympics?

Question (3) is one we got discussing to an extent in the Olympics versus Worlds thread last year, but I think we should flesh it out. I will always regard the World Championships as the high watermark of track cycling because it's proper track cycling; not the crappy, abridged, half-organised shite we get at the Olympics. But are the bright lights of the Olympics essential to the survival (ie. funding) of track cycling? If so, does the presence of a few eye-catching events to the general public provide all of the nourishment to retain a flourishing non-Olympic profile, or is a well-balanced Olympic programme (insofar as containing more pursuiting events) necessary?

If track cycling does need the Olympics, then fundamentally I see the Olympics as a means to an end and not an end in itself (in its present form anyway - a full track programme would sway me a bit). It is there to enable real track cycling - the World Championships, World Cups, Revolutions, six-days and all the other meetings - and the UCI's proposed changes do that no harm while nudging the velodrome in the direction of the modern age.
 

Rassendyll

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I think part of the reason, and this may be what RR is getting at, is that the vast majority of the public find the Madison and Points races incredibly confusing and in that sense I'm not against dropping them.

But in doing so they have made the programme very unbalanced - arguably the equivalent of athletics running just the 100,400, 4x100, 4x400 and the decathlon.

A sprinter will potentially have three or four medals, an endurance rider might make it into the team pursuit or the omnium.

That's more opportunities for the same people, not the same opportunities for more people.

I would have dropped the Madison and Points - because they are not suited to the Olympics and a non-specialist audience - but rather than the Omnium kept the Individual Pursuit which is easily understandable and often very exciting.

One other point - I don't think they should be changing the Olympic programme at this point. Any changes should be to the 2016 programme to be fair on people who spend years training and working at different disciplines.
 

Keith Oates

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It is my opinion that the Olympics is trying to make itself the ultimate in all sports and as such is failing. If it wants track cycling and it also wants parity between the men and the ladies in the number of events they should bring the number of ladies events up not reduce the mens total. The cynic in me also considers that the domination by the British men at the last Olympics may have something to do with the latest decisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Flying_Monkey

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I can't see why they don't just add the same events they have now for men to the women's programme. Equality and a full schedule for a sport which is only getting more popular right now. The madison and the points race are sometimes mystifying but they are fun to watch.
 
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Flying_Monkey said:
I can't see why they don't just add the same events they have now for men to the women's programme.
That's out of the UCI's hands - the IOC will only let them introduce new events if they get rid of old ones (hence the kilo and 500m departing to make way for BMX).
 

Flying_Monkey

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Skip Madness said:
That's out of the UCI's hands - the IOC will only let them introduce new events if they get rid of old ones (hence the kilo and 500m departing to make way for BMX).

Yeah, sorry by 'they' I meant the IOC. Mind you, the UCI could probably have done more than just rolled over and taken it. They are a useless governing body... I never understood the BMX (and mountain-biking) issue - they take place on entirely different facilities and have, generally speaking, different audiences and constituencies. So if you are going to use or build a velodrome, you might as well fill it with people for the whole two weeks of the Olympics.
 
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Interestingly enough, Cycling News have renamed that article I linked to in the first post. It was UCI killed the track endurance star, but they are now going with the less hyperbolic Are the UCI set to axe more Olympic track events? The answer, of course, being yes they may axe five events, but they will also introduce five.
 

BigSteev

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Flying_Monkey said:
So if you are going to use or build a velodrome, you might as well fill it with people for the whole two weeks of the Olympics.

My sentiments exactly. However, if it had to be just 5 then I'd go for Individual pursuit, team pursuit, team sprint, points and madison. (I know - not going to happen)
 

Noodley

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Much along the lines of what has been said by others I don't get why track events 'have' to get dropped, especially to allow inclusion of BMX, MTB or to permit parity.

More events for women with no reduction for men IMO.
 
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Skip Madness

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Apologies in advance, I don't really like doing these composite responses but it's the easiest way to do each point:
Rassendyll said:
[...] they have made the programme very unbalanced - arguably the equivalent of athletics running just the 100,400, 4x100, 4x400 and the decathlon.

A sprinter will potentially have three or four medals, an endurance rider might make it into the team pursuit or the omnium.
For me, this is tied into the final point of my opening post about what the purpose of the Olympics is. If it is to subsidise the existence of track cycling, then the UCI are right to go with the biggest crowd-pleasers, which I suspect (no hard facts on this) are the individual and team sprints and the keirin - because those will draw the most number of people into the sport. I reckon they've probably thrown the team pursuit and omnium in there to placate as many people as possible with what little room remains.

If, on the other hand, you want to parade the Olympics as the height of the sport then there does need to be more balance away from the sprint events. But then, even having seven events each would still make a mockery of the Olympics being the zenith of track cycling since it would lack the scratch, time trial and omnium.
That's more opportunities for the same people, not the same opportunities for more people.
In the case of the men, this is undoubtedly true, since the individual pursuit, points race and madison are all off the list (although it's worth bearing in mind that the winners of the men's and women's omnia (xx() at this years Worlds were both riders who are strong in endurance events, so it does represent a better chance for them). But in the case of the women, the keirin specialists (who aren't always the same as the individual sprint specialists) get a new chance, a second sprinter gets a new chance in the team sprint, and two more pursuiters get a chance in the team pursuit. It is more opportunities for sprinters and endurance riders. Sacrificing opportunities for the men is the necessary price to pay for this if the IOC insist on the event limits.
One other point - I don't think they should be changing the Olympic programme at this point. Any changes should be to the 2016 programme to be fair on people who spend years training and working at different disciplines.
I don't agree. Individual pursuiters usually ride team pursuits anyway, so adapting should provide few problems, and two-and-a-half years should be ample for those who don't. It should also be adequate for any endurance rider considering the omnium as an alternative to the points race/madison. You say it wouldn't be fair on those who train for events that may be dropped, but it's already unfair on all the women who specialise in anything other than the individual pursuit, individual sprint or points race, or the riders of either gender who like the scratch or time trial. Gender parity must not wait.
BigSteev said:
However, if it had to be just 5 then I'd go for Individual pursuit, team pursuit, team sprint, points and madison. (I know - not going to happen)
The madison almost certainly wouldn't happen for one major reason - even the World Championships don't have a women's madison yet (hopefully that will change in time), so it's very unlikely they would introduce it now. The omnium is enough of a surprise to a lot of people...

For what it's worth, my five are the individual sprint, keirin, individual pursuit, team pursuit and points race.
 
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Noodley said:
Much along the lines of what has been said by others I don't get why track events 'have' to get dropped, especially to allow inclusion of BMX, MTB or to permit parity.

More events for women with no reduction for men IMO.
Well - I keep banging on about it I know - it's all about how much track cycling needs the Olympics. If the UCI politely ask for more events, the IOC will say no (I really have no bloody idea why they like it that way, but they do). So what card can the UCI play? Threaten to withdraw all of the cycling events unless they cave in to a full track programme (an entirely reasonable desire)? What would happen then? Is track cycling in a position where it can withdraw from the Olympics and still retain or build on its current status? Or is it dependent on the funding the Olympics brings, and would withdrawing trigger the real death of the velodrome?

If it's the former, then I'd support the UCI getting serious about it (go ahead, withdraw the road cycling - it's crap). If it's the latter, then the UCI aren't in much of a position to bargain, and so their deference to the directions of the IOC - along the lines the UCI is considering implementing - is the correct path to take.
 

Keith Oates

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In this country cycling is not the most popular sport and I think the wins and the gold medals at the last Olympics certainly raised the interest in cycling within the general public. I get the feeling that the meetings in the World Cup in Manchester did not get many people, outside of us cyclists, very interested. However, outside of the UK cycling is much more popular in some countries and being an Olympic Sport will not have so much influence with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

BigSteev

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So it's now finalised and predictably the IOC are saying that it's all down to the UCI.

"Of course, the concerned riders regret that. This is perfectly understandable but the executive board of UCI considered the new format would be far more appealing," Rogge insisted.
"There is a general shift from endurance events more to sprint events, that is a consideration being made by the experts of cycling, not the IOC."



Appealing to who exactly? Not the riders judging by the letter they wrote to the IOC, certainly not to me as a spectator. I can only assume that they mean to the generation of TV viewers who have an attention span of about 20 seconds.

And as for describing the UCI as the experts of cycling..........
 
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