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Hello,

I've decided to come out of the gym and onto the road, so I'm looking for some tips on how much to spend on a bike, what to look for, what kit to buy etc etc. Just the usual sort of stuff.

I've been checking out Sportsdirect, as they seem to have some decent discounted stuff. Any gems on there I should be looking at?

I'll mainly be cycling to and from work. I live in Paisley and work in Cumbernauld. I plan on either cycling the full way, or cycling Paisley to Glasgow, or Glasgow to Cumbernauld, and vice versa. So I'm looking for some info on the cycle routes between these place, and how hard / easy they are for someone in their early 30s, who is reasonably fit. My commute currently takes 2 hours as I'm using public transport. Ideally to begin with, I'd like to avoid roads (and hills!).

I plan on getting a bike and gear through CycleScheme, just need to confirm my work do offer this.

Can someone please give me an idea on how long each of these journeys take, if I'll look a prat taking my bike on the bus for the 2nd leg of my journey, how you organise your work clothes / cycle gear and any other stuff you think I should know.

Cheers all
 

Dave 123

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Kit wise you'll need plenty of layers so you can have fresh during the week (otherwise you'll stink!) with a good wicking base layer, a decent pair of gloves, a buff is a must and some sort of hi viz top layer would be a goog idea. Many people on here will tell you that lycra is the way to go, and they are right, you'll give the neighbours a thrill!
I use a rucksac to take my clean clothes, wallet etc to work. This keeps my back nice and warm, I miss it at the weekend! Others use panniers, but I'll wager you already own a rucksac, so use that.
Spend as much as you can afford. If you do the trip on roads then get a road bike. By the time May arrives you'll be fitter,more lean, and content with the world.
Enjoy!:bicycle:
 
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Thanks for the response, Dave.

With that sort of kit, do you shower before work, or does a generous spraying or deodorant do the trick?
 
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chillyuk

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I wear Sports Direct kit, and see many other riders out in it. I have several of the orange Karrimor tops which were being knocked out at £7 a time on their website. They are one of the few that fit me being somewhat rotund. Instore they seem to have ditched Karrimor in favour of MuddyFox kit, which looks to be pretty much the same stuff but is smaller fitting compared to Karrimor which wont be a problem for most people. Aldi and Lidl sometimes have cycling specials which is a good way to stock up on kit. Their shorts are OK, but again, MuddyFox shorts are smaller than Karrimor for a given size. Tenn Outdoors are also pretty good. Have a look at their website or on Ebay.
 
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Edinburgh

Hello & :welcome:

I've decided to come out of the gym and onto the road, so I'm looking for some tips on how much to spend on a bike, what to look for, what kit to buy etc etc. Just the usual sort of stuff.

A decision I made a few years ago and never regretted. Unfortunately those questions can lead to other questions ...

How much: What can you afford. Generally the more you pay, the better you get, but the law of diminishing returns kicks in, for example the difference between a £1000 bike and one costing £2000 is a lot less noticeable (at least to a commuter/utility cyclist like me) than the difference between one costing £100 and one costing £200. Saying that, there is a price point at which bikes made from heavy steel with poorly fitting and rubbish components give way to ones that are, if not a joy, then at least pleasant to ride and that offer a limited amount of reliability. I am not to sure where this point is in the current market, but you can get quality bikes from £500.

What to look for: Depends an what riding you want to do. Avoid things that add weight to the bike with limited gain unless you need them. Suspension, both front and rear, is only necessary for bouncing down rough hillsides. On the smooth and flat, all it does is make the bike heavier and convert the energy you are putting into the pedals into up & down movement rather than making you go forward. Chunky tyres are great in the loose mud and snow, but take more energy to go along a road than smoother ones at a higher pressure. Some tyres offer increased protection against punctures. The choice of handlebar style is very much a personal one IMO. I like dropped ones as you see on racing bikes as they offer lots of riding position options. This is useful on long rides as it allows you to change hand positions to relieve pressure on different parts of the hands & arms. However am also happy to use flats handlebars on shorter rides. There are other options like butterfly bars and bull bars that offer different benefits. You may also want to consider your transmission on the bike. Most bikes are equipped with derailer gears that have a number of sprockets at the front and back and a mechanism for moving the chain around between them. The quality, reliability and performance of these vary massively and is one of the biggest reasons for the price difference in a bike. There are also bikes equipped with hub gears, these have all the gears nicely concealed from the elements into a neat package in your rear wheel. These commonly come with 3, 7 or 8 gears although at the top of the range there is one with 14. Both systems have advantages over the other one. Alternatively you could forgo gears altogether and opt for a single speed or fixed gear. Single speed allows you to coast down hills, but on a fixed gear if the back wheel is turning so will the pedals. These are great fun and some of us have realised that gears are not always necessary.

Kit (Assuming clothing): Go for layers that you can adjust to suit changes in the weather. If it is not raining, or only a light drizzle I don't wear my waterproofs as they don't let the moisture I develop out fast enough. It is not necessary to buy a full lycra outfit, but these clothes offer some advantages such as appropriate padding in the shorts and the ability to wick away moisture and get dry again. If you want to avoid the lycra look but get the benefits of the technology, there are options out there

I've been checking out Sportsdirect, as they seem to have some decent discounted stuff. Any gems on there I should be looking at?

I'll mainly be cycling to and from work. I live in Paisley and work in Cumbernauld. I plan on either cycling the full way, or cycling Paisley to Glasgow, or Glasgow to Cumbernauld, and vice versa. So I'm looking for some info on the cycle routes between these place, and how hard / easy they are for someone in their early 30s, who is reasonably fit. My commute currently takes 2 hours as I'm using public transport. Ideally to begin with, I'd like to avoid roads (and hills!).

I plan on getting a bike and gear through CycleScheme, just need to confirm my work do offer this.

Can someone please give me an idea on how long each of these journeys take, if I'll look a prat taking my bike on the bus for the 2nd leg of my journey, how you organise your work clothes / cycle gear and any other stuff you think I should know.

I don't know enough about Sportsdirect or your route to offer anything, but on the organisation of commuting gear ...

Does your workplace have bike storage space, changing rooms, showers, lockers? Even if not, these can be improvised to some extent, for example at one office I used a bike rack in the street a short walk away, got changed in the disabled toilet (more room), used baby wipes to get the road dirt off and kept my clothes on hangers in the office. Not ideal.

As to what you may want to take/leave. For the bike, I carry lights (depending on season), puncture repair kit, spare inner tube, pump, multi tool, thin rubber gloves, wipes, cable ties & small adjustable spanner. For me I leave at work shoes, trousers, ties, deodorant & towel and take with me shirt, socks, underwear, lunch, mobile, wallet, keys, glasses, pass, water.
 

vickster

Legendary Member
How far is the trip - don't know the geography - it must be quite a long way if takes two hours on public transport? I cycle for 20 minutes and no shower (do that before I leave home). 45 mins+ I'd want to be showering, especially if there are hills

The amount of clothes will depend on how cold it is and the extent to which you personally feel the cold. I would say in the winter a hi-viz jacket or at least one with lots of reflective bits is a must. Layers are key, a good merino baselayer (Mountain Warehouse have for £25 usually) is great if cold - warm and don't get nearly as smelly as synthetics!

The amount you should spend on the bike will very much depend on how much you can afford! If only £200, maybe look second hand, £300 you are into Halfords Carrera territory; £400 a better fast hybrid like a lower level Spesh Sirrus or an entry level road bike...I would sayup to a grand, every £100 will make some difference depending on the type of bike

I would say, as a complete newbie, you'll need £150-£200 to buy kit for you and the bike (clothes, lights, lock (helmet) etc)

How hilly is the terrain, will you be going off road at all (even a bridleway)? Lots of questions to answer...

Good luck :smile:
 

Hacienda71

Mancunian in self imposed exile in leafy Cheshire
Try the new Decathlon in Glasgow. Their kit is excellent value for the quality you get.
 
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How far is the trip - don't know the geography - it must be quite a long way if takes two hours on public transport? I cycle for 20 minutes and no shower (do that before I leave home). 45 mins+ I'd want to be showering, especially if there are hills

The amount of clothes will depend on how cold it is and the extent to which you personally feel the cold. I would say in the winter a hi-viz jacket or at least one with lots of reflective bits is a must

The amount you should spend on the bike will very much depend on how much you can afford! If only £200, maybe look second hand, £300 you are into Halfords Carrera territory; £400 a better fast hybrid like a lower level Spesh Sirrus or an entry level road bike...I would sayup to a grand, every £100 will make some difference depending on the type of bike

I would say, as a complete newbie, you'll need £150-£200 to buy kit for you and the bike (clothes, lights, lock (helmet) etc)

How hilly is the terrain, will you be going off road at all (even a bridleway)? Lots of questions to answer...

Good luck :smile:

Both legs of the journey are around 10-12miles each, so you're talking a round trip of almost 50 miles. Though, I'll be doing this very rarely. My plan is to cycle 1 leg, and bus / train the other. Geographically, it is fairly flat, with no major inclines or declines.

I know there's a cycle path on both legs of the journey, but I'm unsure what percentage of the journey this covers. I believe it's a fairly popular route, so hopefully someone will come along who does it on a regular basis.

I think I'm looking around the £300 range for a bike, but if I can get a 'fast hybrid' for £400 then I may scrape up the extra.

Would the hybrid really make for a more pleasant journey than the Carrera? I don't care about challenge, as there's plenty of distance to cover and just biking it will be enough of a challenge anyway, but whatever makes the ride more comfortable, you know.
 

vickster

Legendary Member
I should have been clearer - the Carrera is a hybrid, just a heavier, chunkier one - hybrid is a bit of a rubbish term, but I was referring to a flat barred bike with 700c wheels and no suspension

Here are a couple of bikes to look at - try before you buy, size will depend on geometry, your height, inside leg,arm length etc...every brand is different pretty much just to make more complicated



You'll get better vfm if you can find an older model - manufacturers replace/change/update annually

A few possibles under £400

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_551203_langId_-1_categoryId_165534

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/kona/dew-2011-hybrid-bike-ec026505

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/specialized/sirrus-sport-2011-hybrid-bike-ec023997 - good deal - medium if 5'6-5'9 ish I'd say

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/gt/traffic-40-2011-hybrid-bike-ec024798

Evans aren't a bad place to start simply as they have lots of brands and have a relaxed test ride policy (Halfords don't) - there is one at Breahead if that's close http://www.evanscycles.com/stores/Braehead-Glasgow

Are there restrictions on you taking the bike on public transport in the rush hour by the way? I am not sure you can take a normal bike on a bus?? Might need a folder! http://www.evanscycles.com/products/dahon/espresso-2011-folding-bike-ec022578?query=espresso
 
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Folding bike looks like it might be a good idea, I hadn't really considered there would be restrictions on public transport.

Is there much of a performance hit between a folder and a equivalent spec bike?
 

daSmirnov

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Location
Horsham, UK
Well the good news is, if it takes 2 hours by public transport it shouldn't take any longer by bike, an hour and a half is probably a reasonable time, and I'm sure some of the more hardcore people around here would aim for an hour/75 minutes. There's quite a few commuters on here who do that kind of distance every day. Maybe not something to try this time of year up north, but certainly a worthy target.

My top tip is mudguards, full length ones, helps keep you dry and the bike (don't want it getting too dirty and rusting up), and if it stays frosty might want to look at getting some studded tyres. Lights are a must this time of year, and I'd suggest powerful ones, and at least 2 rears and 2 fronts.

If you're looking at doing the whole distance (I would be :-)) nothing stopping you from doing alternate days on the bike and using public transport the other days to bring in fresh clothes ready. As long as leaving the bike at work is OK, could always cycle in one morning, catch the bus back and ride the bike home the next day.

Yeah typically bikes aren't allowed on public transport during rush hour. So a folder would be the way to go, but they're a lot more twitchy/slower/expensive.

Since some of the journey involves the train, usually there's bike racks inside most stations, so you could lock up the bike half way in relative security.
 

b0redom

New Member
My 1st commuter bike was a Trek 7.2FX which would fit your requirements pretty well. Then I progressed to a Tricross sport. Stuff I would suggest for the commute distance you're looking at are:

1) Clip in pedals make a big difference. I use cheap Shimano SPDs.
2) Bar ends like: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/tioga-power-studs-xs-bar-ends/ make a big difference, they allow you to move hand positions a bit more.
3) Decent cycle shorts make you way more comfortable Wiggle's own DHB gear is pretty good.
4) Get decent lights and a reasonable helmet. They'll help you be seen and prevent you from getting hurt so badly if you do get knocked off your bike.
5) Learn how to change a tyre. Not being able to do it when you're six miles or more from where you want to be is a royal PITA
6) Pedestrians are stupid. You'll find they'll wander into bike lanes or out into the road in front of you without looking. Consider one of these:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=20105

Enjoy the commute - it'll make you feel far better when you get to work!
 
Lots of good advice there, you definitely need to check what the score is with taking bikes on. I don't use the trains for commuting but I know my local rail service provider does allow them on. If they don't then a folder it is, and if that's the way it is then I would try to get a Brompton, bit pricey but they hold their value and they are lovely. If you can take your bike on the decision is a lot harder. Is there an off road route? If there is you might consider a mountain bike, perhaps the most versatile of all bikes, the only type of bike I absolutely always must have. If your tied to the roads then hybrid or road bike, most people find hybrids more comfortable to start with but many eventually get a road bike for the improved performance. One certainty is you have made the right choice, who wants a gym when you have a planet to play on?
 
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