Ineos Have Gone To The Dark Side😟😟
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Salty seadog
Space Cadet...(3rd Class...)
Ok. Ta.
T.M.H.N.E.T
Rainbows aren't just for world champions
- Location
- Northern Ireland
I was expecting something newsworthy
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
It's where the money is. Someone will switch back if a maker of posh rim calipers offers enough sponsorship, I'm sure.
newts
Veteran
- Location
- Isca Dumnoniorum
Milzy
Guru
You’re quite wrong. Both Ineos & UAE use discs for flatter racing & rims for the more hilly races. I know this by been a pro cycling fan boy.
Dolorous Edd
Senior Member
Elybazza61
Guru
Might also have something to do with Dura-Ace being di2 only.
Milzy
Guru
Dave has had some health problems. It won’t be the same without him.
lazybloke
Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
- Location
- Leafy Surrey
Cable operated?
Adam4868
Guru
It's Sir Dave to you....fear not he'll still be around he's going to be head of all Ineos sports 😁
since when did dura ace go wireless???
IanSmithCSE
Guru
- Location
- Worcester, Worcestershire
Good morning,
The plus side of disc brakes becoming the norm, if you look at Halfords Carrera range which are now all or almost all disc, is that it becomes harder to sell very low spoke count wheels to the commodity market as the wheels need to cope with the disc.
I have a feeling that Shimano may be on a route to merge Ultegra and Dura-Ace to a single product line targeted at the elite race community and those who can afford but don't need it and 105 at everyone else.
For a while now the view that 105, Ultegra and Dura-Ace are too close in performance for the price difference has been at least reasonable even if you disagree with it.
By keeping 105 mechanical only and the with Ultegra/Dura-Ace as electronic only there is a clear big difference, but where is the difference between 12 speed Ultegra and Dura-Ace?
The early Di2 Ultegra and Dura-Ace mechs had different motors, Dura-Ace had a bespoke design, Ultegra an off the shelf one, apparently for 12 speed this is no longer the case.
Obviously we don't yet know what the real world retail prices are going to be, will the retail market require Dura-Ace to be close in price to Ultegra because of a lack of perceived difference or will it be happy for an extra grand "because it is Dura-Ace"?
I know that we all see lots of £5k-£10k bikes advertised and reviewed, but from Shimano's perspective are they selling in sufficient quantities to justify two premium brands?
As these high end group sets are a relatively small proportion of the market and if all the pros are riding disc brakes who is going to want to offer rim brakes? Sure there will be some but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest that this will be too small a number to justify the next generation of products so possibly when the early production runs are exhausted no more will be made.
Bye
Ian
The plus side of disc brakes becoming the norm, if you look at Halfords Carrera range which are now all or almost all disc, is that it becomes harder to sell very low spoke count wheels to the commodity market as the wheels need to cope with the disc.
This is certainly true according to the publicity, but I wonder about the reality, will there actually ever be any to buy?
I have a feeling that Shimano may be on a route to merge Ultegra and Dura-Ace to a single product line targeted at the elite race community and those who can afford but don't need it and 105 at everyone else.
For a while now the view that 105, Ultegra and Dura-Ace are too close in performance for the price difference has been at least reasonable even if you disagree with it.
By keeping 105 mechanical only and the with Ultegra/Dura-Ace as electronic only there is a clear big difference, but where is the difference between 12 speed Ultegra and Dura-Ace?
The early Di2 Ultegra and Dura-Ace mechs had different motors, Dura-Ace had a bespoke design, Ultegra an off the shelf one, apparently for 12 speed this is no longer the case.
Obviously we don't yet know what the real world retail prices are going to be, will the retail market require Dura-Ace to be close in price to Ultegra because of a lack of perceived difference or will it be happy for an extra grand "because it is Dura-Ace"?
I know that we all see lots of £5k-£10k bikes advertised and reviewed, but from Shimano's perspective are they selling in sufficient quantities to justify two premium brands?
As these high end group sets are a relatively small proportion of the market and if all the pros are riding disc brakes who is going to want to offer rim brakes? Sure there will be some but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest that this will be too small a number to justify the next generation of products so possibly when the early production runs are exhausted no more will be made.
Bye
Ian
IanSmithCSE
Guru
- Location
- Worcester, Worcestershire
Good morning,
Bye
Ian
When it went 12 Speed Dura-Ace disc brake levers are wireless to a receiver with CR2032 batteries in the levers and a shared wired battery to the mechs.
Bye
Ian
