How do self-lubricating chains work?

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e-rider

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surely this doesn't actually mean that they have a long lasting supply of lube in them?!

perhaps it's something like the chain distributes oil to all the necessary places more effectively than a standard chain (ie. marketing crap)?
 

battered

Guru
Sounds like you have hit the nail on the head. Bike chains have a horrible life, they get sprayed with gunge off the wheel then grind it round until it ends up as sludge round the jockey wheels. Best lube? Any. Just lots. The only self lubricating chain is one fitted to a motorcycle with a Scottoiler, these things drip oil on the chain when the engine is running. If you were doing a huge trip something like that on a bike would be a great gadget.
 

andrew_s

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There are (or have been) Scottoiler systems for pedal bikes. It's not fully automatic - there's a rubber push button thingy you have to remember to press every 10 miles or whatever to dispense some oil from the reservoir.
 

ColinJ

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I'm going the other way and am going to try Wurth wax lube on my Cannondale. I want a dry chain so there is nothing for the grit to stick to. (The Cannondale tends to be a fair-weather bike, but if I like the results then I will try it on my all-weather Basso.)
 
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e-rider

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this isn't fantasy - Clarks and Yaban (YBN) sell self-lubing chains but on either of their wedsite it doesn't actually say how it works! There is no lubing mechanism though, so I guess you still need to oil the chain!
 

andrew_s

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this isn't fantasy - Clarks and Yaban (YBN) sell self-lubing chains but on either of their wedsite it doesn't actually say how it works! There is no lubing mechanism though, so I guess you still need to oil the chain!
What I vaguely remember reading about is self-lubrication by using a porous metal that's impregnated with oil.
I'd guess that the impregnation involves a sintered component and a vacuum, and that for a bicycle chain it's the chain pins.
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
[QUOTE 1789130, member: 9609"]Let us know how you get on with this, sounds very promising. I don't think i have a pair of trousers that doesn't have chain oil on the inside right leg.[/quote]
So far so good! I gave the chain a good clean and then blasted it with the wax spray as instructed - once left to right, once right to left. I left the chain to dry for 15 minutes then I rode 1 mile on it and it wasn't squeaking.

I'll be doing a 100 mile forum ride on that bike tomorrow so that will be a good test.

One thing to note - there are some nasty chemicals in the spray so I used it outdoors and was careful not to inhale it or get it on my skin and I put an old towel behind the chain so the spray didn't get all over my back wheel.
 

screenman

Squire
Err! if it has an external oiling system then it is not self lubricating. Oil soaked sintered bearings and a nice tight seal at each end, would do the job.
 

subaqua

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Leytonstone
Sounds like you have hit the nail on the head. Bike chains have a horrible life, they get sprayed with gunge off the wheel then grind it round until it ends up as sludge round the jockey wheels. Best lube? Any. Just lots. The only self lubricating chain is one fitted to a motorcycle with a Scottoiler, these things drip oil on the chain when the engine is running. If you were doing a huge trip something like that on a bike would be a great gadget.

also known as any triumph motorbike :whistle:
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
I'm going the other way and am going to try Wurth wax lube on my Cannondale. I want a dry chain so there is nothing for the grit to stick to. (The Cannondale tends to be a fair-weather bike, but if I like the results then I will try it on my all-weather Basso.)


I've been using dry waxy type chain lube for years, but since that* ran out I've struggled to find something as good.

*Atomlab Trail Wax

One bloke in the LBS suggested TF2 Extreme Wet synthetic luricant... sticky as hell, hated it.
The other bloke in the same LBS suggested Finishline Dry Teflon lube... a lot better than the sticky stuff... but I'm still missing the Atomlab stuff :sad:


edit.. sorry, this in no way addresses the question in the thread title.
 

Linford

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I guess these chains are like motorcycle O-ring chains - which I actually know a bit about.
O-ring or X-ring chains (X-rings are the same, but the ring profile if cit through is shaped like an X for 2 contact points for better sealing)
are similar to regular chains, but are assembled in a bath of grease. The pins on the chain are sealed at either ends by these rubber- o-rings, and that is how they self lubricate. They still need to be oiled or greased because you will get wear on the sprockets, and also if tghe o-riungs are not kept oiled, what happens is that they dry out, and then do what rubber does - Grip any mating surface, which saps horsepower (yours in the case of a cycle)
So why bother - Valentino Rossi doesn't use O-ring chains as the O-rings sap the BHP. the reason is because His bike chains will probably be changed every other race so he doesn't care if they get a bit knackered inbetween.

The reason why they are good is because the grease sealed into the links between the O-rings protects the internal surfaces of the pins and sleeves, and if these surfaces are allowed to dry out instead of floating on a grease film, they will wear very very fast. this in turn makes the length between the links grow as the pin diameters wear smaller, and the bores in the rollers whick the pins sit in wear big and this will make the link length grow. When the link length grows, the teeth on the sprockets start to hook as they wear unevenly also, and then you end up throwing the whole lot away.

Always replace as a set if there is significant wear on one component or the other as different link lengths due to wear and tear will knacker brand new stuff very quickly.


There is a guy called Denis (loobman) who makes a cheap alternative to the scottoiler and his video says it all really. They are less than £20 a pop, and after having one of these on my old m/bike see no reason why they couldn't be used on a cycle if it is knocking up big mileage

http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/


 
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