Heart rate monitor / Breathing

[I <3 BMC]

Gents,

Been using a HRM for Squash for a long time not counting the warm up , (but including 45 seconds rest between games) I can AV 167 with a Max of 185 -191 , I am sweating hard and breathing deeply but Im OK and can last 40 -60 with this Average ( even two matches a day). I started biking two months ago building my mileage up to 100 miles per week and I noticed that while doing Ankerdine hill ( 18% for a short period) that my heart rate got up to 175 but my perceived effort was far higher than anything I have done in squash, my breathing , well words cant explain... and I couldn't keep this up for more than 3-5 minutes although I did get up the hill in one shot this time. My question is there must be something with regard to effort other than HR , Can some one enlighten me , Cheers

 

[FailedComic]

Squash is a series of short explosive movements. Cycling up a massive hill is a constant battle, both physically and at points emotionally. If psychologically you know that the hill will be hard and it's defeated you before, then your legs will feel heavier, time will feel slower etc. That maybe a reason why.

Although well done for getting up it in one. Maybe next time will be easier

 

[I <3 BMC]

Squash is a series of short explosive movements. Cycling up a massive hill is a constant battle, both physically and at points emotionally. If psychologically you know that the hill will be hard and it's defeated you before, then your legs will feel heavier, time will feel slower etc. That maybe a reason why.

Although well done for getting up it in one. Maybe next time will be easier

Thanks for the reply and hope that the hill will be easier or ill go faster next time.....psycologically if I didnt have the HRM I would bet the hill was harder but some how according to HR it isnt ? I guess the difference between the grind and squash sprints is that the body has some time to clear lactic acid between points ?

 

[Red Light]

Thanks for the reply and hope that the hill will be easier or ill go faster next time.....psycologically if I didnt have the HRM I would bet the hill was harder but some how according to HR it isnt ? I guess the difference between the grind and squash sprints is that the body has some time to clear lactic acid between points ?

Being squash-fit doesn't mean you're cycle-fit - different muscles & different usages. Also non-weight bearing activities like cycling and swimming tend to have lower heart rates than weight bearing ones such as running and squash for the equivalent effort.

 

[I <3 BMC]

Thanks red light , im not cycle fit or squash fit for that matter ! ok another way to put the question , is there a direct correlation between HR and Breathes per minute , I would hypothesize it could be sport specific , IE squash at 170 BPM results in less Breathes per minute than Cycling at 170bpm ( read breathes per minute as volume of air to be more scientific).

Further to this why would I need to breathe harder ( more O2) when the HR is less, If my unconditioned cycle muscles need more O2 then I would figure and hope the Heart would give a bit exta aswell....

Yes I am a bit anal about this stuff

 

[Red Light]

Thanks red light , im not cycle fit or squash fit for that matter ! ok another way to put the question , is there a direct correlation between HR and Breathes per minute , I would hypothesize it could be sport specific , IE squash at 170 BPM results in less Breathes per minute than Cycling at 170bpm ( read breathes per minute as volume of air to be more scientific).

Further to this why would I need to breathe harder ( more O2) when the HR is less, If my unconditioned cycle muscles need more O2 then I would figure and hope the Heart would give a bit exta aswell....

Yes I am a bit anal about this stuff

In steady state yes there is a direct correlation for a particular sport but not for all sports other than generally higher heart rates are associated wth higher rates of exercise induced breathing. Transiently not - its quite possible to have a short burst of activity that uses the latent oxygen in the blood with the heart rate responding to oxygen demand but the breathing rate not responding until the burst of activity is finished.

Standing up requires the constant use of muscles just to stand still. Sitting down doesn't so ergo running uses more energy (propulsion energy + standing up energy) than riding a bike (mainly propulsion energy) and so is associated with higher heart rates for the same level of perceived effort.

 

[wait4me]

In steady state yes there is a direct correlation for a particular sport but not for all sports other than generally higher heart rates are associated wth higher rates of exercise induced breathing. Transiently not - its quite possible to have a short burst of activity that uses the latent oxygen in the blood with the heart rate responding to oxygen demand but the breathing rate not responding until the burst of activity is finished.

Standing up requires the constant use of muscles just to stand still. Sitting down doesn't so ergo running uses more energy (propulsion energy + standing up energy) than riding a bike (mainly propulsion energy) and so is associated with higher heart rates for the same level of perceived effort.

Hope you don't mind me joining in with this topic, but it's something that confuses me.
If when climbing hills I stand on the pedals am I using more energy as I am standing as well as pedalling. Or would I use less as I am using body weight to help the pedalling.