Giro Donne/Giro d'Italia Femminile 2009

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The biggest race on the women's calendar starts tomorrow (Friday 3rd July) in Tuscany. Here is a thread where we can follow and talk about it.

The prologue is in Scarperia, and consists of a 2.5km loop around the town with an essentially flat profile. Linda Villumsen has been imperious over these distances this season so look for her to take the first maglia rosa.

Stage one is interesting. There are two climbs which aren't categorised, but really ought to be. The first is a gentle rise over 7km about two-thirds of the way through, but the second is up to the finish in Pratolino di Vaglia. It is 1.7km long and averages 8.2%, and appears steep enough not just to upset the sprinters, but for the major favourites to steal a handful of seconds from each other. It's not dissimilar to the opening stage of last year's men's Tour, and is well-suited to a rider like Judith Arndt:
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Stage two provides no rest for the GC contenders, as it dishes up the race's "long" (that word being used relatively, as with other recent editions of this race) time trial - 13.5km against the clock. The parcours is mostly unnoteworthy, although the final kilometre up to Santa Maria a Monte provides a little kick. This will be a good opportunity for Amber Neben to take advantage of.

By stage three, the sprinters will be getting really pissed off at the absence of opportunities (the first three road stages of last year's race were all flat). That will continue with the race's queen stage, a re-run of last year's stage to Monte Serra. The mountain is climbed twice from different sides - first up to the Prato a Ceragiola (8.4km at 7.0%, first-category) and later up to the finish at the Prato a Calci (10.7km at 6.6%, second-category but should really be first). Claudia Haüsler, Fabiana Luperini, Edita Pucinskaite, Amber Neben and Nicole Brändli will all like the look of this:
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Stage four sees the sprinters breathing a sigh of relief, with a 109km stage that should provide Ina Teutenberg, Kirsten Wild, Regina Schleicher, Giorgia Bronzini and friends with their first cast-iron opportunity in Porto Sant'Elpidio.

Stage five serves up a gradual 90km ascent from sea level to 1000m before a descent into Cerro al Volturno. It's another chance for the sprinters, although the profile may also favour a long escape.

On the menu for stage six is more climbing - two first-category climbs come early on. They are Rionero Sannitico, the same as yesterday's long climb but from the other side (17.0km at 3.2%) and the tougher Prato Gentile (17.4km at 4.4%). There is also an uncategorised climb closer to the end at San Angelo in Grotte (3.2km at 5.4%), with 15km remaining until the finish at Sant'Elena Sannita. Today should see a group of favourites finishing together, but don't rule out a long breakaway - Emma Pooley will see her name all over a stage like this:
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Stage seven is the race's second official mountain-top finish. The climbing is much easier than previous mountain stages, and might see the stage won in a break, but there could be a small rearranging of the GC as well. First there are two ascents of Spinazzola (4.0km at 4.0%, third-category), then the climb of Minervino Murge (1.7km at 5.5%, third-category) and then the finishing climb to Castel del Monte (5.8km at 3.8%). Those gradients won't strike fear into the climbers, but the final climb could see a fun free-for-all:
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Stage eight is the last-chance saloon for anyone with hopes of turning the GC around. Early in the stage comes the Colle Sannita (17.4km at 2.7%, third-category), then an unclassified climb in Pesco Sannita (6.4km at 3.4%), but it's the day's final climb where mayhem may ensue. The climb of Molinara (10.7km at 5.2%, second-category) tops out just over 20km from the finish, so a mad dash to the finish in Pesco Sannita is on the cards. Claudia Haüsler won a much tougher but not-entirely-dissimilar stage last year, so if she's still down on GC then this will be the moment to seize:
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That leaves the ceremonial final stage, with 111km of laps around a circuit in Grumo Nevano giving the sprinters the last word in this year's race.

Altogether, the parcours isn't that great. It's certainly the best of any major race this year, but stages six and seven are a little bit... Tour de l'Aude. It would have been nice to see another stage like the one last year that finished in Laveno Mombello and went over the Sette Termini and Cuvignone. But besides the return of Monte Serra, I also like stages one and eight.

As for who's riding - well the official start list is not up on the website yet, but Cycling News and another website have got their mitts on something, so based on that riders to look out for (with Brits in bold) include:

Selle Italia: Fabiana Luperini, Sigrid Corneo, Luisa Tamanini
Cervélo: Claudia Haüsler, Kristin Armstrong, Emma Pooley, Carla Ryan, Kirsten Wild
Fenixs: Svetlana Bubnenkova, Catherine Hare/Williamson (anyone know which she is using nowadays?), Evelyn García
Flexpoint: Susanne Ljungskog, Loes Gunnewijk, Loes Markerink, Trine Schmidt
Top Girls: Valentina Carretta, Alessandra D'Ettorre, Jennifer Fiori
Chirio: Clemilda Fernandes
Columbia: Mara Abbott, Judith Arndt, Chantal Beltman, Ina Teutenberg, Linda Villumsen
Lotto: Rochelle Gilmore, Lizzie Armitstead
Nürnberger:
Amber Neben, Suzanne de Goede, Marlen Jöhrend, Regina Schleicher, Trixi Worrack
Michela Fanini: Monia Baccaille, Tatiana Guderzo
System Data: Deborah Mascelli
Cmax Dilà: Marta Vilajosana, Silvia Tirado
Gauss: Edita Pucinskaite, Tatiana Antoshina, Julia Martisova
Safi: Giorgia Bronzini, Inga Cilvinaite, Diana Ziliute
Bizkaia - Durango: Ana Belén García, Ariadna Tudel
Bigla: Nicole Brändli, Noemi Cantele, Jennifer Hohl, Modesta Vzesniauskaite
Australia: Chloe Hoskings
USA: Lauren Tamayo, Brooke Miller

It has been very difficult to judge form this year, so these are some rather ill-informed predictions:

GC:
1) Edita Pucinskaite
2) Claudia Haüsler
3) Fabiana Luperini

Points: Judith Arndt

Mountains: Mara Abbott

Young rider: Valentina Carretta

It would be nice if a young rider like Carretta or someone else really breaks through like Haüsler has. These Luperini-Pucinskaite-Neben-Brändli battles are getting a bit old. If Haüsler's form isn't top-notch it will be interesting to see if Emma Pooley can step up.
 

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Nice preview, Skip. Best of luck to all of the British girls in this exciting event!


BTW, 'Häusler' has the umlaut on the a (so it is pronounced 'Hoissler') not the u. She's definitely one with a glittering future ahead of her.
 
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Kirsten Wild is continuing her superb season - she has won this evening's prologue for Cervélo, beating her team mate Kristin Armstrong into second and Linda Villumsen into third.
 

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Nice result for Emma P. Well set up for today's stage. [thanks skip for taking the time to inform us.]
 
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Wow, we're really off now. Edita Pucinskaite won today's uphill sprint ahead of Fabiana Luperini, Judith Arndt and Mara Abbott. Emma Pooley lost only five seconds while her team mate Claudia Häusler had a minor disaster conceding 21 seconds, as did Susanne Ljungskog.

Puckinskaite takes the lead on GC, with Arndt, Noemi Cantele, Luperini, Amber Neben, Pooley and Nicole Brändli all within 15 seconds.

Häusler's time loss today was significant. If - as one should expect - Pooley accelerates away from Häusler in tomorrow's 13.5km time trial then the Brit may find the team's resources heading her way. Kristin Armstrong will also likely move up the GC tomorrow so Cervélo may have a headache deciding what's what.
 

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Yes this is going to be a challenge to Cervelo. The Grande Boucle was easy, with only Vos to mark out. This one will require them to concentrate their efforts or face the consequences of them being disipated. What will High Road do ? Judith Arndt may have the form to take the TT as well and Pukinskiate seems very motivated. Luperini will also not be a push over. She has made an excellent job of getting her preparation all correct for this event over the years. It is a pity Vision 1 and DBS are not here. That is what is so frustrating with the women's callender. No one race has the status the Tour does on the men's circuit. One year the Giro may be the best Tour in the season, another year it might be L'Aude and another year Thuringen. It is such a pity that the Boucle has never really recovered from the legal battle over the name.
 
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I make Kristin Armstrong a good favourite for tomorrow. She seems in great condition, and as it's her final season she'll want to go out with a bang. But I really don't see her still there at the end, and as you say Arndt could be making the decisive move tomorrow. I am really hopeful for Pooley, though. This Giro may be about to open up for her. My only fear is that it will snap shut again on Monte Serra.

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That is what is so frustrating with the women's callender. No one race has the status the Tour does on the men's circuit. One year the Giro may be the best Tour in the season, another year it might be L'Aude and another year Thuringen. It is such a pity that the Boucle has never really recovered from the legal battle over the name.
True. I don't see how the Boucle moving to July next year is going to help things, either.

The parcours can be so variable. In 2001 the Giro (held over 15 stages - what we would give to see that nowadays) featured back-to-back mountain-top finishes at Vetriolo Terme and Nevegal. The 2003 Boucle had back-to-back finishes at Valberg, Puy-Saint-Vincent and Vaujany. That's what grand tours are meant to look like. But as you say nowadays a good route can be a lottery, meaning no race has built up an insuperable reputation (or rather the Giro and the Boucle have lost the ones they had). Many websites will refer to Aude as the biggest race in the season, others the Giro and still the odd one the Boucle. I also saw the Trophée d'Or organisers refer to their race as the second-best in France (behind Aude). I wouldn't even say it's the third-best!

For what it's worth I tend to think of it nowadays as: (1) Giro d'Italia; (2) Tour de l'Aude; (3) Grande Boucle (except this year, where I'd put it below all of these); (4) Thüringen; (5) Toscana; (6) Ardèche. They tend to all have a mixture of good fields and decent-ish routes over remotely reasonable durations, compared to everything else in the calendar at least.
 
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Amber Neben took the victory in today's time trial. These are the time gaps she put into other major riders:
Selected Stage 2 results

01 Amber Neben........20'39"
02 Kristin Armstrong...+ 14"

03 Emma Pooley.........+ 30"
04 Svetlana Bubnenkova.+ 39"
05 Judith Arndt........+ 46"
07 Claudia Häusler.....+ 51"
09 Edita Pucinskaite...+ 58"
11 Nicole Brändli.....+1'09"
13 Susanne Ljungskog..+1'16"
16 Mara Abbott........+1'20"
27 Fabiana Luperini...+1'53"
The GC now sees Neben become the third different leader after three stages:
Selected GC after Stage 2

01 Amber Neben........3:10'18"
02 Kristin Armstrong.....+ 22"
03 Emma Pooley...........+ 31"
04 Judith Arndt..........+ 35"
06 Svetlana Bubnenkova...+ 46"
07 Edita Pucinskaite.....+ 47"
08 Claudia Häusler.....+ 1'11"
09 Nicole Brändli......+ 1'12"
13 Susanne Ljungskog...+ 1'30"
15 Mara Abbott.........+ 1'42"
18 Fabiana Luperini....+ 1'50"
Claudia Häusler didn't lose as much time as I thought she would, and still looks strong for a decent position with the time trials out of the way. If Emma Pooley produces a good ride tomorrow she becomes a serious contender for this Giro. With the deficit Fabiana Luperini has to make up, expect her to attack early tomorrow, possibly on the first climb. I still consider Edita Pucinskaite the favourite.
 

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A couple of days ago I watched the video footage of Emma riding away from Cooke and Doppmann in the 2007 Grande Boucle. As long as Cervelo keep the pace high enough that there isn't a 'long shot' escape on the first ascent of Monte Serra, I reckon she could really stamp some authority on this race today. (Could be completely wrong, but I'd love to be right).
 
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It would be great to see that. Taken as a pure head-to-head on climbing abilities there's no reason why Pooley couldn't be a contender for today's stage. The thing that makes me a bit reticent, though, is that she has ridden a longer and harder season than Luperini, Pucinskaite and Neben. I get the feeling she may pay for that today, or if not then further into this week. I hope I am wrong, though.

At least the fact that it's a mountain-top finish somewhat neuters what Cicloweb referred to as her "allergy to descending."
 
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Mara Abbott took the victory today on Monte Serra, but Emma Pooley finished with her on the same time and put some distance into everyone else. :ohmy:

These stage results are provisional official.
Provisional Official stage results
01 Mara Abbot..........
02 Emma Pooley.........
03 Claudia Häusler.......+ 36"
04 Judith Arndt........+ 1'24"
05 Svetlana Bubnenkova.
06 Carla Ryan..........+ 1'32"
07 Edita Pucinskaite...+ 2'00"
08 Amber Neben.........+ 2'05"
09 Nicole Brändli......+ 2'47"
10 Fabiana Luperini....
Provisional Official selected GC
01 Emma Pooley.........
02 Mara Abbot..........+ 1'07"
03 Claudia Häusler.....+ 1'18"
04 Judith Arndt........+ 1'34"
05 Amber Neben.........+ 1'40"
06 Svetlana Bubnenkova.+ 1'45"
07 Edita Pucinskaite...+ 2'22"
08 Carla Ryan..........+ 3'04"
09 Nicole Brändli......+ 3'34"
10 Fabiana Luperini....+ 4'12"
Brändli and Luperini out of it already?

I can't wait to see how this unfolds between Pooley and Häusler now. Get Häusler attacking on the tough stuff and let Pooley keep an eye on the other favourites? Both of them stay quiet and wait for a chance to counter-attack?
 

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Excellent. That is a nice gap back to the main contenders. Let's hope that there aren't any massive breakaway wins in the next few days to disrupt the GC.

This is a proper stage race unlike the Grande Boucle, but I'm willing to bet that the British media brush over it with minimal coverage if Emma continues to do well. I'm sick of the coverage that Cooke gets when Emma has been riding many more high profile events this year and doing well. (Mini rant over :laugh:)
 
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Will1985 said:
This is a proper stage race unlike the Grande Boucle, but I'm willing to bet that the British media brush over it with minimal coverage if Emma continues to do well. I'm sick of the coverage that Cooke gets when Emma has been riding many more high profile events this year and doing well. (Mini rant over :troll:smile:
I have been trying to use an Italian proxy to capture some of the half-hour highlights programmes on RAI Sport, without success so far. If you go to Giro Donne YouTube account then there are videos to see, but they don't show much of the actual racing. Better than nothing, though.

Oh, and Lizzie Armitstead now leads the young rider classification! And she's 15th on GC.
 
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