EV Owners Thread

[icowden]

I'm sure that must be a huge comfort to all the dead drivers and passengers.

You mean the many fewer dead drivers and passengers than any other auto manufacturer? Have you *seen* how dangerous those ICE cars are?

Tesla death rate is 41 per million registered years. Nissan Altima 113 per million. Mitsubishi mirage 205 with a further 183 for the hatchback. Why aren't these death machines being recalled?

There is a website that lists every Tesla crash that resulted in a death. Can you find me one for *any* other manufacturer?

 

[CXRAndy]

You mean the many fewer dead drivers and passengers than any other auto manufacturer? Have you *seen* how dangerous those ICE cars are?

Tesla death rate is 41 per million registered years. Nissan Altima 113 per million. Mitsubishi mirage 205 with a further 183 for the hatchback. Why aren't these death machines being recalled?

There is a website that lists every Tesla crash that resulted in a death. Can you find me one for *any* other manufacturer?

Id forgotten the crash per mile is so much worse for non autopilot vehicles.

 

[mikeIow]

Safe?
Get a Volvo!

 

[icowden]

Id forgotten the crash per mile is so much worse for non autopilot vehicles.

When using Autopilot the safety record is lower than 10 per million vehicle years (25% of total tesla deaths are autopilot or fire related).

 

[icowden]

Safe?
Get a Volvo!

Just remember that the Tesla site records all deaths - both occupants and occupants of other cars / pedestrians. Volvo only boast about keeping the people in the car safe. Pedestrians, cyclists and people in other cars - not so much.


View: https://medium.com/enrique-dans/uber-volvo-and-fatal-accidents-involving-self-driving-cars-1c359d20d3bb

 

[Jenkins]

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The difference between the naysayers and owners of Tesla cars, is that we know the car has deficiencies, accept them, enjoy the EV experience.
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Without getting into all the other arguments, why would you pay £45k+ for a Model 3 (or much more for the bigger models) and just accept the deficiencies? Having paid that much, I'd want them to be sorted immediately (or not been present in the first place).

 

[CXRAndy]

Without getting into all the other arguments, why would you pay £45k+ for a Model 3 (or much more for the bigger models) and just accept the deficiencies? Having paid that much, I'd want them to be sorted immediately (or not been present in the first place).

I suppose, its expectations, I realise the car isn't perfect, no vehicle ever is. I didnt buy it our Teslas primarily for autopilot, I bought them for being an EV, performance, range, charging network and the app functionality.

In fact anyone who asks me about buying a new Tesla, I tell them not to bother with anything more than the built in standard auto-pilot. The standard version is very good, not perfect (so expect it to have a few quirks), it does a great job as an extra backup when driving. Its looking at 4 sides of the vehicle simultaneously whilst in motion.

 

[icowden]

Without getting into all the other arguments, why would you pay £45k+ for a Model 3 (or much more for the bigger models) and just accept the deficiencies?

Because you are applying the process of buying a car to buying a computer with wheels. 99% of the deficiencies are just software, and the software gets updated all the time. Rarely there will be a mechanical issue such as the aforementioned wishbones, but most of the "issues" reported in the press are really non-issues.

 

[cougie uk]

Have they reported on the deaths of that Tesla that we saw on CCTV blasting through a Parisian Street last year ? What was the story there in the end ?

 

[CXRAndy]

Have they reported on the deaths of that Tesla that we saw on CCTV blasting through a Parisian Street last year ? What was the story there in the end ?

I don't know the situation. Invariably it's usually the driver pressing the wrong pedal. You see so many drivers (YouTube), mostly elderly or nervous users who get it so wrong and launch a vehicle at high speed.

This is two of the hundreds of recorded clips


View: https://youtu.be/oxTO4hdIxDY?si=Jva91aAeErxGHSos


View: https://youtu.be/KXlb7DA0mAY?si=G9iiF_AhuusnxO-b

 

[cougie uk]

I don't know the situation. Invariably it's usually the driver pressing the wrong pedal. You see so many drivers (YouTube), mostly elderly or nervous users who get it so wrong and launch a vehicle at high speed.

This is two of the hundreds of recorded clips


View: https://youtu.be/oxTO4hdIxDY?si=Jva91aAeErxGHSos


View: https://youtu.be/KXlb7DA0mAY?si=G9iiF_AhuusnxO-b

I expect it will be to do with the driver - it usually is.
A few years ago on a 30mph road 5 people were killed in a crash where a Renault Megane ran out of control. Killed three people in that car and a child and her nan in the car that it hit. Apparently the driver had had a seizure resulting in him flooring the accelerator. Awful incident.

 

[BoldonLad]

You mean the many fewer dead drivers and passengers than any other auto manufacturer? Have you *seen* how dangerous those ICE cars are?

Tesla death rate is 41 per million registered years. Nissan Altima 113 per million. Mitsubishi mirage 205 with a further 183 for the hatchback. Why aren't these death machines being recalled?

There is a website that lists every Tesla crash that resulted in a death. Can you find me one for *any* other manufacturer?

What kind of unit of measure is that? death rate per 1000 miles perhaps would be meaningful

 

[CXRAndy]

What kind of unit of measure is that? death rate per 1000 miles perhaps would be meaningful

I think its deaths per million miles covered by the vehicle for each manufacturer. I suppose it could be further broken down to each model of car.

The insurance industry will have these figures, as well as age and sex accident/casualty. Thats why certain vehicles are more expensive to insure.

Certain makes having reputation for drivers being higher risk, BMW man, Audi etc. there are others too

 

[BoldonLad]

I think its deaths per million miles covered by the vehicle for each manufacturer. I suppose it could be further broken down to each model of car.

The insurance industry will have these figures, as well as age and sex accident/casualty. Thats why certain vehicles are more expensive to insure.

Certain makes having reputation for drivers being higher risk, BMW man, Audi etc. there are others too

Thank you for confirmation

I used to own a BMW, I really noticed the transformation in my driving when I moved to a Mazda.

 

[icowden]

What kind of unit of measure is that? death rate per 1000 miles perhaps would be meaningful

I agree but I didn't make up the measurement...!