Don't pass on this side signs on lorries.

[Paulus]

On many lorries there are now signs saying cyclists don't pass on this side, with an arrow pointing to the left. Fair enough. But, this doesn't address the problem of lorries overtaking us on the right, so we are still on their left, and then turning in on us. Should we have signs made saying something like Lorries, don't overtake us on the right?

 

[Fast_Mark]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Inexperienced cyclists going up the inside of trucks and busses in cities is still a common site. When I see this in the car it makes me want to scream at them for their own ignorance, but maybe a friendly sign (perhaps accompanied with an illustration of the potential consequences) is a more productive method.

 

[gaz]

It's hard to say but I would guess that most deaths involving lorries are not caused from left hooks where by they overtake us and then turn straight away.
Unlike a smaller vehicle they can't take corners quickly so imo it's much less likely to happen.

Signs only help if the person a. sees the sign b. takes on board what it states.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

It doesn't really matter. Granted it won't stop lorry drivers left hooking cyclists, but if it keeps even a few cyclists from pedalling blithely down the inside of a truck (and there are plenty who will cheerfully do that; it's happened to me more than once), it's a good thing.

 

[Mushroomgodmat]

It doesn't really matter. Granted it won't stop lorry drivers left hooking cyclists, but if it keeps even a few cyclists from pedalling blithely down the inside of a truck (and there are plenty who will cheerfully do that; it's happened to me more than once), it's a good thing.

yep its a good thing. Seems silly to somehow blame the drivers in this case.

 

[twobiker]

As I expect most people are aware drivers of vehicles over 7.5 tonnes have to take a CPC course ,Certificate of Professional Competence, this is so that the firm they work for can secure an O licence to operate,we have to undertake 35 hours of training every 5 years to maintain this certificate and if we do not we cannot drive, I am 53 and the only bike training I have had was from my dad when I was 6, I love cycling but with all the talk about RLJ etc its obvious that with the increase in cyclists so will come the increase in legislation,we are our own worst enemies.
now my fingers are tired

 

[Dan B]

As I expect most people are aware drivers of vehicles over 7.5 tonnes have to take a CPC course ,Certificate of Professional Competence, this is so that the firm they work for can secure an O licence to operate,we have to undertake 35 hours of training every 5 years to maintain this certificate and if we do not we cannot drive, I am 53 and the only bike training I have had was from my dad when I was 6, I love cycling but with all the talk about RLJ etc its obvious that with the increase in cyclists so will come the increase in legislation,we are our own worst enemies.
now my fingers are tired

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=thames+materials - presumably these guys hold an "O licence"?

I'm sure you're right that often it's the cyclists at fault, but it's not always the case ...

 

[Rhythm Thief]

As I expect most people are aware drivers of vehicles over 7.5 tonnes have to take a CPC course ,Certificate of Professional Competence, this is so that the firm they work for can secure an O licence to operate,we have to undertake 35 hours of training every 5 years to maintain this certificate and if we do not we cannot drive, I am 53 and the only bike training I have had was from my dad when I was 6, I love cycling but with all the talk about RLJ etc its obvious that with the increase in cyclists so will come the increase in legislation,we are our own worst enemies.
now my fingers are tired

This is true enough if you're a new driver. I drive lorries (proper big ones, not poxy little 7.5 tonners ) and because I've been driving for a while, I have until 2014 to get my driver CPC. Although to be honest, the whole CPC thing seems like a complete bloody waste of time. There is, f'rinstance, no particular syllabus the trainer has to follow - a lot of the training courses I've heard of seem to consist of watching videos of people, er, driving lorries - and there's no requirement for the 35 hours of training to consist of anything different. In other words, I could turn up for five days in a row and undertake the same seven hours of training each day and this would still be enough to get my CPC. I could then repeat exactly the same process every five years, as things stand at the moment. I resent having to waste a whole working week (and five or six hundred quid) learning stuff that I do every bloody night ad nauseam just to satisfy some esoteric governmental requirement dreamt up by someone who barely knows what a lorry is. The driver CPC scheme, like so many things, could be a genuinely good thing if it taught us something useful; as it is, it merely serves to part us from yet more of our money and put people off entering the haulage industry.

 

[twobiker]

Since I took up cycling again I have been, cut up ,pushed off ,sworn at,followed for hundreds of yards by drivers who won't overtake and shown nearly every day how inconsiderate cars and lorries can be,no, it is not always the cyclists fault,but anyone who creeps up the side of a 38 tonne artic at the lights or a junction wants his head testing,my point is that as Drivers of large vehicles we are constantly being trained,whereas some cyclists follow the adage of " familiarity breeds contempt ". as the saying goes "Its all fun until somebody loses an eye"

 

[twobiker]

I drive Artics, and it would not be possible for us to do the same course each time to get our CPC, you are very lucky,we have to take one course a year for five years,so then of course,we have to start all over again,yes some of it seems obvious but you can always learn something if you want to and if it keeps the Gov quiet its worth it.

 

[John90]

I have a feeling that these signs have more to do with an attempt to limit possible liability on the part of the lorry operators than any altrusitic motive...



...but I may just be being cynical and world weary.

I doubt there would be any great risk of liability if the cyclist was undertaking. The driver could say the cyclist was in a blind spot even if they weren't.