Connecting hydraulic cables on new bike

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Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
In what state would you expect the hydraulic brakes to be shipped to the customer on a boxed bike?

I splashed out on the Black Friday deal at Merlin for a Felt VR40 road bike with Tiagra hydro discs. At less than half price it was too tempting to resist.

It was advertised as a boxed bike and I was fine with assembling it, understanding I'd need to attach the bars, front wheel, seatpost, adjust brakes and derailleur etc and confident with this.

I didn't factor in the hydraulic brakes. The gear cables were all fully connected from brifters to derailleurs. However the hydraulic cables are unconnected in the middle, with white plastic plugs on the ends of the sections attached to the levers. The lower cable sections are routed through the bike forks and frame and connected to the front and rear calipers and the cable ends are wrapped in tape. The front caliper is not bolted to the fork but wrapped in plastic and cardboard and taped to the fork. See photo (all I've done so far is unpack the bike and attach the bars to the stem)

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So, are the plugs there because the fluid reservoirs have been filled and it's only necessary to remove those and connect the lower sections of cable? Whether the lower sections are empty, or if they're pre-filled with fluid too, either way I would guess the brakes would need bleeding as there's surely going to be air bubbles?

The bike came with zero assembly instructions. The accessories box has the generic bike manual and the usual selection of reflectors and a bell. Surely the manufacturer and/or the shop should mention if specialist tools are necessary. The box just says this, no mention of bleed kits:

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The shop product page said this:
Boxed Bike
We want to inform you that your bike will arrive boxed and will need to be fully assembled before it's ready to ride. If you need any assistance or have any questions during the assembly, please don't hesitate to reach out to our customer service team.

So I did "reach out". I was just wanting to know the normal assembly instructions for connecting these brakes and to check if the box was missing anything. They were noncommittal, saying that's how the bikes come to them, that the brakes may need bleeding (but not definitively that they would) and if I'm not confident to take it to my LBS, adding that they (Merlin) normally charge £250 for setting up a boxed bike. I've no problem with this advice per se (although £250 seems steep), but a few pointers wouldn't have gone amiss.
 
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Sterlo

Early Retirement Planning
I agree that's not on. When I got both of my disc brake bikes, they were fully assembled, with the exception of the bars needed adjusting and fitting the front wheel.
 

vickster

Legendary Member
£250?!! Take it elsewhere
If I saw boxed and no mention of PDI, I would expect a fair degree of work. It's presumably simply how it came to Merlin via UK distributor from whatever factory in the Far East
 
In what state would you expect the hydraulic brakes to be shipped to the customer on a boxed bike?

I splashed out on the Black Friday deal at Merlin for a Felt VR40 road bike with Tiagra hydro discs. At less than half price it was too tempting to resist.

It was advertised as a boxed bike and I was fine with assembling it, understanding I'd need to attach the bars, front wheel, seatpost, adjust brakes and derailleur etc and confident with this.

I didn't factor in the hydraulic brakes. The gear cables were all fully connected from brifters to derailleurs. However the hydraulic cables are unconnected in the middle, with white plastic plugs on the ends of the sections attached to the levers. The lower cable sections are routed through the bike forks and frame and connected to the front and rear calipers and the cable ends are wrapped in tape. The front caliper is not bolted to the fork but wrapped in plastic and cardboard and taped to the fork. See photo (all I've done so far is unpack the bike and attach the bars to the stem)

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So, are the plugs there because the fluid reservoirs have been filled and it's only necessary to remove those and connect the lower sections of cable? Whether the lower sections are empty, or if they're pre-filled with fluid too, either way I would guess the brakes would need bleeding as there's surely going to be air bubbles?

The bike came with zero assembly instructions. The accessories box has the generic bike manual and the usual selection of reflectors and a bell. Surely the manufacturer and/or the shop should mention if specialist tools are necessary. The box just says this, no mention of bleed kits:

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The shop product page said this:


So I did "reach out". I was just wanting to know the normal assembly instructions for connecting these brakes and to check if the box was missing anything. They were noncommittal, saying that's how the bikes come to them, that the brakes may need bleeding (but not definitively that they would) and if I'm not confident to take it to my LBS, adding they normally charge £250 for setting up a boxed bike. I've no problem with this advice per se (although £250 seems steep), but a few pointers wouldn't have gone amiss.

Can you do it all but the brakes, then have the LBS do the brakes? My LBS would charge £20/£25 a brake to bleed and set them up.

Alternatively you could try a refund from Merlin as I'm pretty sure you'll need more tools than that to bleed brakes (a reason why I took my bike to the LBS recently to get it done).
 
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Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
£250?!! Take it elsewhere
If I saw boxed and no mention of PDI, I would expect a fair degree of work. It's presumably simply how it came to Merlin via UK distributor from whatever factory in the Far East

Believe me I have no intention of paying £250! I'm going to do it myself. It's clearly as you say, just how it came from Felt. I do feel Merlin should have been more upfront on the listing with what assembly is needed.

I've since bought a bleed kit for Shimano road bikes as I can use it on my e-road bike too and I intended to learn how to bleed brakes myself in any case.
 

multitool

Well-Known Member
^ This is the right answer and the correct attitude :training:

I've never had a bike delivered with the hydros unconnected BUT you got the bike at a substantial discount. Sooner or later you are going to have to either spend some cash at the LBS for a bleed, or spend £12 on a bleed kit, £18 on a litre of mineral oil, and an hour or so learning how to do it.

Factor that £30 into the discount and enjoy the forthcoming learning experience.

p.s don't shortcut the process, take your time and be meticulous with avoiding spills. Get some isopropyl alcohol to clean up calipers and levers after, and remove the pads during the process. Get a Clam insert for centring the caliper afterwards.

Enjoy
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
The bikes may just never have been unboxed and were left like that from Felt due to market differences in brake set up (e.g. UK and rest of world). It's not difficult to bleed brakes. Epic provide some very good 3rd party instructions.
 

wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
Not read the whole thread; however both bikes I've bought with hydro discs (Genesis CdF and Ragley Big Wig) came with everything in place with no assembly required of the hydraulic circuits. IIRC it was mostly just a case of fitting the bars and wheels.

That said I think broadly speaking there are at least a couple of states of assembly you might expect to receive a bike in with the other requiring more work (as you've found here).

I have some sympathy with your LBS - I suspect they're sick of building bike they've not supplied themselves / aren't making a margin on, so have whacked a good chunk on the job to deter people / make it worthwhile.

If the bike was that much of a bargain I'd be inclined to suck it up and do it yourself - if it needs tools, they'll likely be of use in the future at some point so it's not money wasted.
 
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