classic dropouts

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woodbutcher

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Location
S W France
Can anyone tell me if there are likely to be problems in getting a classic rear dropout (125mm) to accept a modern 8speed cassette of 130mm. More to the point, is it something to tackle yourself or should you go to a professional bike butcher ?:cuppa::cuppa:
 
Location
Loch side.
126 mm.

That's a 4mm spread that's required, or 2mm per side. But like Adrian asked, steel or alu, there's a huge difference in work required.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
I cant remember the mm sizes but I run a modern freehub wheel + 8sp cassette on an 80s steel frame (originally 5sp freewheel). It takes a bit of huffing and puffing but fits OK in the end. I've not tried cold setting the frame, I just spring the dropouts apart when putting the wheel in. Note that I don't have clearance to use the little sprocket, so it's effectively 7sp. You may encounter similar problems.
 
Location
Loch side.
or have a new brake bridge fitted to give you a wider dropout , but then frame will need refinishing

I think you will find that all frames are bent to the right OLD after brazing, even with the right length brake bridges and I won't be surprised if there's only one length of brake bridge in the builder's stock of components. 2mm over that length of chainstay is minimal.
 
Location
Loch side.
I cant remember the mm sizes but I run a modern freehub wheel + 8sp cassette on an 80s steel frame (originally 5sp freewheel). It takes a bit of huffing and puffing but fits OK in the end. I've not tried cold setting the frame. Note that I don't have clearance to use the little sprocket, so it's effectively 7sp. You may encounter similar problems.

Track bikes are 120mm, up to 7-speed 126mm, semi-modern cassette bikes 130mm and MTB 135mm. New road bikes also come with 135 clearance and some mountainbikes are 142mm. Downhill bikes are 150mm.

Life becomes so much easier once you've just bent your frame to 130mm and re-aligned the dropouts with a big spanner as Adrian suggested. The latter operation is important because an out-of-parallel dropout puts stress on the axle and bearings in the hub. This operation is so easy, it is jaw-dropping You literally grip the frame in your two hands and pull. Measure between pulls and don't be shy to push back again. It is as soft as cheese.

An aluminium frame on the other hand requires some serious force. A car scissor jack is ideal. You have to bend it way beyond the end point - so much so that when you do it people run away and dogs hide. You never show the owner of the frame how this is done. It is like a dentist pulling a child's tooth. Mommy must not see.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Life becomes so much easier once you've just bent your frame to 130mm and re-aligned the dropouts with a big spanner as Adrian suggested.
I'm sure you're right. I'm not advocating my method as being better, I'm just too lazy to actually do the bending - or more strictly getting someone else to do it, as I wouldn't trust myself not to mess it up.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Incidentally, I once read some instructions on the internet for doing the spreading using threaded bar with a nut pressing against the inside of each dropout. What amused me was that they stressed that you must turn each nut an equal number of times, otherwise you may spread one side more than the other. :smile:

(Think about it)
 
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woodbutcher

woodbutcher

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Location
S W France
Incidentally, I once read some instructions on the internet for doing the spreading using threaded bar with a nut pressing against the inside of each dropout. What amused me was that they stressed that you must turn each nut an equal number of times, otherwise you may spread one side more than the other. :smile:

(Think about it)
Even l think that defies logic !
 
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woodbutcher

woodbutcher

Veteran
Location
S W France
Track bikes are 120mm, up to 7-speed 126mm, semi-modern cassette bikes 130mm and MTB 135mm. New road bikes also come with 135 clearance and some mountainbikes are 142mm. Downhill bikes are 150mm.

Life becomes so much easier once you've just bent your frame to 130mm and re-aligned the dropouts with a big spanner as Adrian suggested. The latter operation is important because an out-of-parallel dropout puts stress on the axle and bearings in the hub. This operation is so easy, it is jaw-dropping You literally grip the frame in your two hands and pull. Measure between pulls and don't be shy to push back again. It is as soft as cheese.

An aluminium frame on the other hand requires some serious force. A car scissor jack is ideal. You have to bend it way beyond the end point - so much so that when you do it people run away and dogs hide. You never show the owner of the frame how this is done. It is like a dentist pulling a child's tooth. Mommy must not see.
The bike l was thinking about was a 1980's F Moser and l got nervous just thinking about setting about it with anything more dangerous than a duster.
Anyway problem solved because the bike is sold, so onwards and upwards to the next one:cuppa:
 
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