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ayceejay

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Rural Quebec
I bought some of Merlin's own brand wheels that flex and rub against brakes and possibly frame. They were not expensive but I told Merlin about my problem and they said they couldn't do anything because I had used them, which is a bit of a conundrum because how else would I find out? It was Spoked Wheel who told me what the problem was so I asked Merlin whether there was a weight limit on the wheels since they won't entertain any question of a faulty product but they won't answer me. The wheels are useless to me but they could be alright for someone lighter in which case I could sell them on with a clear conscience if not then I have no other choice than to bin them.
 

Cyclist33

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Location
Warrington
In this country the sale of goods act would protect you I think as you would claim the product as supplied was not fit for purpose, said purpose a wheel that rides. The burden of proof would lie with merlin to show that was because of you and not a fault of or inherent defect in the wheel at supply point. Which they wouldn't be able to prove.

Not sure how it would work across borders but you should read up.
 
Are they the K30 for £72? They don't specify a weight limit, but they are a conventional spoked wheel so maybe the tension is a bit slack as is often the case with new wheels. Find a decent LBS and ask them to re-tension it if you think chasing Merlin is too much trouble.
 
Location
Loch side.
Are they the K30 for £72? They don't specify a weight limit, but they are a conventional spoked wheel so maybe the tension is a bit slack as is often the case with new wheels. Find a decent LBS and ask them to re-tension it if you think chasing Merlin is too much trouble.

No, that's not the problem.

Wheel stiffness does not go up with spoke tension. Steel (spokes) is made from a Hookean material (it follows Hook's law). Basically, it goes like this. If you have a steel spring and you load it with 1KG, it stretches say, 1cm. If the material obey's Hooke's law, the next 1KG will produce another 1cm of stretch and so on, until it reaches the limit of it's elasticity. There things get a bit strange but let's ignore that and go back to spokes.
Being steel, a kg of tension on them gives you x-amount of flex per given applied force. Applying another kg of tension, will result in the same deflection for a given applied force again.

There are ways to make wheels stiffer but they can't be bolted on afterwards. You have some choices:

1) Use thicker spokes.
2) Use more spokes
3) Use a stiffer rim
4) Combine the above.

My guess is that that particular wheel has too few spokes, but I haven't seen it, so it is just a guess. Nowadays thin box section rims are out of fashion, hence my suspicious on the spokes. I don't suspect too-thin spokes because those require high skill from the wheelbuilder and I won't expect that company to throw that type of skill at relatively cheap wheels.
 
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ayceejay

ayceejay

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Rural Quebec
Just had a reply from Merlin

The weight limit for these wheels should not exceed 90kg as these are a light carbon wheel.
Nowhere was the weight limit stated and the wheels are alloy.
What do you make of that?
 
Location
Loch side.
Just had a reply from Merlin

The weight limit for these wheels should not exceed 90kg as these are a light carbon wheel.
Nowhere was the weight limit stated and the wheels are alloy.
What do you make of that?
I just had a look at the picture you posted. Paired spokes with long, unsupported spoke spans. Those wheels are rubbish. Push for a refund. It is a stupid product.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
They're unfitt for purpose. The fact they've been used is their problem, not yours. Unless the weight limit was made clear at the time of purchase then that's an irrelevance.
 
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ayceejay

ayceejay

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Location
Rural Quebec
I had another email today
Thank you for the reply, I have spoken to our buyer for the wheels here and Daniel who has stated there is no weight limit for these wheels. I gave you this as weight as i would personally advise on this if you are using a carbon wheel as most carbon wheels have a limit of 100kg. The heavier you are the more flex the wheel is going to have. If you wish to give us a call when you can and ask for Daniel he can explain further.
Still insisting that the wheels are carbon when they are alloy but the weight limit has gone up and isn't that bit about flex odd?
Merlin are not to be trusted it appears
 
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