Can you track an MOT location without the VIN / V5 doc number?

[T4tomo]

A car went through the front wall of our business premises, made an impressive mess. Pretty sure it was local petrolheads having sort of race up and down the industrial estate.

Doesn't appear to be a stolen car as they must have gone to a lot of effort to recover it overnight, that than leave in situ. Obviously keen to track the owner so they can pay for the rebuilding work. I have reported online to plod, although I doubt they will bother to do anything

In amongst the bits of wall and front end of car left in out carpark I found the Reg plate, SW69DHV

so using MOT checker etc I can deduce its a blue BMW840i, quite a nice car to total through a wall.

I know its latest MOT Document number is 8329 8086 6684. However I need the V5 doc number to get a reprint of the MOT cert to find out where it was done.


Does anyone know of a way to get that info or info in registered keeper without that?

Happy for a PM if it not a strictly legit source.


cheers

 

[vickster]

Insurance company?

 

[PeteXXX]

+1 for the insurance company. Home/Buildings insurance rather than your car insurance.

 

[Drago]

You won't get the MOT info without the V5 details.

Anyone with good cause can apply to the DVLA for keeper details. However, as a practical matter they almost never give the details to private individuals. They will give the details to your insurer were they to apply, and possibly would to a solicitor.

 

[figbat]

https://www.gov.uk/request-informat...ation-about-another-vehicle-registered-keeper

 

[fossyant]

The Insurance have access to all that - do you have CCTV to check it was that vehicle. Otherwise, let the insurers know. Check for blue bits of bodywork left behind as well.

 

[T4tomo]

The Insurance have access to all that - do you have CCTV to check it was that vehicle. Otherwise, let the insurers know. Check for blue bits of bodywork left behind as well.

Yes quite a lot of blue / grey bodywork left behind!

Whilst they may provide it to us as the company, I think the Insurance Co is the best route to go.

 

[Drago]

Report it to the dibble as a non-stop damage RTC. I doubt they'll be interest in investigating, but if the guys insurer (or the MIB if he's not insured or is ultimately identifed) ask for the URN and you don't have one that'll be all the made up excuse they need to flip you the bird.

 

[T4tomo]

Report it to the dibble as a non-stop damage RTC. I doubt they'll be interest in investigating, but if the guys insurer (or the MIB if he's not insured or is ultimately identifed) ask for the URN and you don't have one that'll be all the made up excuse they need to flip you the bird.

Already done that yesterday - they also responded, which was encouraging.

 

[CXRAndy]

A NIP(S172) will be sent to the owner for them to identify the driver. This first step must be received by the registered keeper with 14 days for the S172 to be valid

Keep prodding the police to check if they are pursuing

 

[glasgowcyclist]

A NIP(S172) will be sent to the owner for them to identify the driver. This first step must be received by the registered keeper with 14 days for the S172 to be valid

Keep prodding the police to check if they are pursuing

There’s no requirement for a NIP in these circumstances (after an accident).

 

[Alex321]

There’s no requirement for a NIP in these circumstances (after an accident).

Failing to stop after an accident is an offence, and a NIP could be issued for that.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Failing to stop after an accident is an offence, and a NIP could be issued for that.

No.

The purpose of a NIP is to warn the recipient that they may be prosecuted for an offence they could be unaware of committing (e.g. speeding). In this case the driver crashed through a wall, so is not in a position to claim they were unaware of the event which could lead to prosecution.

 

[Alex321]

No.

The purpose of a NIP is to warn the recipient that they may be prosecuted for an offence they could be unaware of committing (e.g. speeding). In this case the driver crashed through a wall, so is not in a position to claim they were unaware of the event which could lead to prosecution.

No it isn't.

A NIP is for any offence where the suspect has not been told in person they may be prosecuted.
S172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 says:

172Duty to give information as to identity of driver etc in certain circumstances.​

(1)This section applies—

(a)to any offence under the preceding provisions of this Act except—

(i)an offence under Part V, or

(ii)an offence under section 13, 16, 51(2), 61(4), 67(9), 68(4), 96 or 120,

and to an offence under section 178 of this Act,

(b)to any offence under sections 25, 26 or 27 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988,

(c)to any offence against any other enactment relating to the use of vehicles on roads, F2. . . and

(d)to manslaughter, or in Scotland culpable homicide, by the driver of a motor vehicle.
And the offence here would be S170, under Part VII

170Duty of driver to stop, report accident and give information or documents.​

(1)This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a [F1mechanically propelled vehicle] on a road [F2or other public place], an accident occurs by which—

(a)personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that [F1mechanically propelled vehicle], or

(b)damage is caused—

(i)to a vehicle other than that [F1mechanically propelled vehicle] or a trailer drawn by that [F1mechanically propelled vehicle], or

(ii)to an animal other than an animal in or on that [F1mechanically propelled vehicle] or a trailer drawn by that [F1mechanically propelled vehicle], or

(iii)to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road [F3or place] in question is situated or land adjacent to such land.

(2)The driver of the [F1mechanically propelled vehicle] must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.

(3)If for any reason the driver of the [F1mechanically propelled vehicle] does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.

(4)A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.

 

[T4tomo]

Failing to stop after an accident is an offence, and a NIP could be issued for that.

To be fair he stopped, in a big heap of masonry and foliage in our carpark. he didnt however make any attempt to leave his details, and we do have a letterbox he could have popped note thru.