Campagnolo Shamal wheels ?

[woodbutchmaster]

I have a set of Campagnolo 40mm deep rims laced to campy 8spd. Record hubs which would be correct for Shamal wheels. So my question is since the wheels have 18 spokes on the front and 24 on the rear rather than the normal 16 and 20 spokes is it likely that the wheels are custom built or just plain fakes. Any and all opinions welcome.

 

[woodbutchmaster]

By the way the decals are new , l stuck them on

 

[midlife]

I thought Shamal had a really low spoke count like 16 rear, 14 front?

 

[sapphire and steel]

They came with different spoke counts as far as I know, the top spec 12 HPW ones with ti internals had 12 spokes front and rear.

I've got some of the tubular Shamals that are 16 spoke front and 16 spoke rear. I don't about 20 and 24 hole versions though. I would have guessed some of the lesser spec Campag wheelsets had more spokes, original Vento's maybe? I've got some Campag Atlanta 96's that are 32 spokes on each wheel, so know Campag did a range of deep silver rims, though in truth the Atlanta's are not as deep as the Shamal's, more like 35m deep.

Show us more detailed pics of the hubs, the original Shamal ones are famously bulbous and look like this...

And here's a Shamal front hub

Your hubs look wrong, both look like they have more spoke holes than it has spokes which is not right, so suspect your set is some random hubs build up with deep rims but more pics of the hubs will reveal more hopefully.

 

[woodbutchmaster]

I thought Shamal had a really low spoke count like 16 rear, 14 front?

The problem is that l have seen them with 16 front and 20 rear and even 16 front and 16 rear. And one set with only 12 spokes rear , can't remember what the front number was. So it seems that they were often custom built for various purposes .

 

[Hover Fly]

Glancing through the pile of old catalogues I have, it seems they varied from year to year, but generally downwards. 16-14 would be right for 2000+-

 

[woodbutchmaster]

Glancing through the pile of old catalogues I have, it seems they varied from year to year, but generally downwards. 16-14 would be right for 2000+-

As far as l can find out the Campagnolo record 8sp. hubs with the oil hole were from the mid 1990's https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=9445fd63-b21b-4ca3-956d-b38ea9c7b1ff

 

[Hover Fly]

The very first were 16-16, went to 12-12 in about 1996 then up to 16-14 later the exact cats. you would need aren’t in my pile.

 

[woodbutchmaster]

The very first were 16-16, went to 12-12 in about 1996 then up to 16-14 later the exact cats. you would need aren’t in my pile.

Thanks for looking and the info. l will keep searching for more info. on the wheels (and riding with them).

 

[woodbutchmaster]

They came with different spoke counts as far as I know, the top spec 12 HPW ones with ti internals had 12 spokes front and rear.

I've got some of the tubular Shamals that are 16 spoke front and 16 spoke rear. I don't about 20 and 24 hole versions though. I would have guessed some of the lesser spec Campag wheelsets had more spokes, original Vento's maybe? I've got some Campag Atlanta 96's that are 32 spokes on each wheel, so know Campag did a range of deep silver rims, though in truth the Atlanta's are not as deep as the Shamal's, more like 35m deep.

Show us more detailed pics of the hubs, the original Shamal ones are famously bulbous and look like this...
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And here's a Shamal front hub
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Your hubs look wrong, both look like they have more spoke holes than it has spokes which is not right, so suspect your set is some random hubs build up with deep rims but more pics of the hubs will reveal more hopefully.

Ok a couple of pics of the (rather grubby) hubs !

 

[Poacher]

They came with different spoke counts as far as I know, the top spec 12 HPW ones with ti internals had 12 spokes front and rear.

I've got some of the tubular Shamals that are 16 spoke front and 16 spoke rear. I don't about 20 and 24 hole versions though. I would have guessed some of the lesser spec Campag wheelsets had more spokes, original Vento's maybe? I've got some Campag Atlanta 96's that are 32 spokes on each wheel, so know Campag did a range of deep silver rims, though in truth the Atlanta's are not as deep as the Shamal's, more like 35m deep.

Show us more detailed pics of the hubs, the original Shamal ones are famously bulbous and look like this...
View attachment 653117
And here's a Shamal front hub
View attachment 653118
Your hubs look wrong, both look like they have more spoke holes than it has spokes which is not right, so suspect your set is some random hubs build up with deep rims but more pics of the hubs will reveal more hopefully.

Yep, a lot of unused spoke holes in the OP's hubs!

 

[Hover Fly]

Looks like someone has got some spare rims and laced them to ordinary croce d’aune or chorus hubs.

 

[woodbutchmaster]

Looks like someone has got some spare rims and laced them to ordinary croce d’aune or chorus hubs.

I think that sounds like a reasonable explanation . I'll just keep them on the bike and ride , mind you l will give them a clean now and then, bit embarrassing those photos

 

[BalkanExpress]

Agree with @Hover Fly , moreover Shamals have bladed spokes. Are the Rims 40cm deep? Campagnolo made lots of deep section alloy rims Shamal, Veneto, Zonda, Atlanta, not all the same depth or spoke count . So you might want to get the tape measure out and then check velobase.

I say made, labelled, is probably a better choice at least for Shamals where the rims were made by Gipiemme .

 

[woodbutchmaster]

Agree with @Hover Fly , moreover Shamals have bladed spokes. Are the Rims 40cm deep? Campagnolo made lots of deep section alloy rims Shamal, Veneto, Zonda, Atlanta, not all the same depth or spoke count . So you might want to get the tape measure out and then check velobase.

I say made, labelled, is probably a better choice at least for Shamals where the rims were made by Gipiemme .

Definitely not 40 cm deep but they are 40mm deep