Cadence Braking.

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simongt

Guru
Location
Norwich
When I was taught to drive in 1972, I was introduced to the above. It was to avoid overheating the brake drums & pads of the day. I still do it instinctively when slowing down over any appreciable distance.
Obviously today's braking systems are far superior and effective, but does anyone here habitually candence brake - ? :whistle:
 

screenman

Legendary Member
I was taught the same year, I know how it works but I never do, now if it was needed the ABS would kick in and make a far better job of it.
 
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simongt

Guru
Location
Norwich
It occurred to me because of the number of drivers I see who habitually tear up towards an obvious compulsory stop and then brake madly for about fifty or sixty metres.
Just wondering. :whistle:
 

screenman

Legendary Member
It occurred to me because of the number of drivers I see who habitually tear up towards an obvious compulsory stop and then brake madly for about fifty or sixty metres.
Just wondering. :whistle:

They are just ignorant, I live in tailgating county, Lincolnshire the standard of driving for the conditions is extremely poor, hence our high road death rates.
 

Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
No it’s bollix. Completely unnecessary and potentially a dangerous habit if you really need to stop in a hurry. Also logically it couldn’t work. The amount of deceleration is proportional to the heat generated. If your car is carrying X joules of kinetic energy, then to stop the brakes need to dissipate X Joules in heat. Doing it in chunks of harder braking dissipates the same heat as braking steadily.
What does help is braking over a longer time, i.e anticipating and slowing gradually.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I do back off the brakes when the going is tough but don't cadence brake per se.

The problem is that of you're really going for it (which I don't, I'm a grown up but in the dibble we went quite quick) each application of the brake compresses the front suspension and negatively affects steering geometry and thus stability, so we were told about it but never really expected use it.
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
It occurred to me because of the number of drivers I see who habitually tear up towards an obvious compulsory stop and then brake madly for about fifty or sixty metres.
Just wondering. :whistle:

That’s how they’re taught to drive nowadays, when I learnt you had to go down through the gears, as well as braking, but now the instructors just have learners braking on the approach to a junction, this rapidly evolves into fly up to junction and brake, and as @screenman says ABS does a far better job of braking hard, but cadence braking, which I know how to do, was supposed to help prevent the wheels locking up in non ABS vehicles.
 
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Profpointy

Legendary Member
When I was taught to drive in 1972, I was introduced to the above. It was to avoid overheating the brake drums & pads of the day. I still do it instinctively when slowing down over any appreciable distance.
Obviously today's braking systems are far superior and effective, but does anyone here habitually candence brake - ? :whistle:

You've been given the wrong rationale for cadence braking. You get the most braking force (between rubber and road that is) just before the wheels lock, but once the wheel is sliding the frictional force is much reduced. In physics language the maximum "static friction" (not sliding) is a lot more than the "sliding friction". Additionally you lose all directional control once sliding.

In practical driving it is quite hard to get the force just right so you don't lock the wheels and skid (thus reducing braking and losing any steering) but you do nearly as well by rapidly pumping the brakes and only sliding momentarily but mostly getting quite a lot of hard braking in.

It is nothing to do with managing heat

My one real experience of (self taught) cadence braking was driving on snowy roads from Hertfordshire to West Wales. I found I could go quite fast on the straights but still cadence brake quite hard to get down to a crawl for the bends. Despite snow you really could knock a lot of speed off with this technique.

ABS more or less does the same all by itself; once a wheel locks it does the pumping. Whilst my car does have it, I could likely do nearly as well without (since I know how), but it's arguably a bigger benefit on the motorcycle . A motorcycle skid of the front wheel will have you sliding down the road on your arse, so you are naturally very wary of grabbing a handful in the wet. Hopefully having ABS will help me have the confidence to brake really hard in the wet if I ever need to
 

Mo1959

Legendary Member
I used to do it in snowy conditions too. You used to see some people just panic and step hard on the brake and keep their foot on and all the car did was skid as they had no control whatsoever. ABS pretty much does the same thing for you now thankfully.
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
Jeez. That poor lorry driver. Thank God he was concentrating.

I think he had backed off a bit as he’d seen the bus, and was blowing the horn so that any kids crossing from behind the bus knew he was there, but that kid just ran out from behind the bus, without looking or listening at all, but even so, that was so, so close to hitting the child
 

Bazzer

Setting the controls for the heart of the sun.
If I'm slowing down over an appreciable distance, or driving down long hill and wish to maintain my current speed and/or stay within the limit, I use my gears.
On my car I have paddle shifters which make it easy. Mrs B's car just means moving the shifter to manual.
 

mustang1

Legendary Member
Location
London, UK
This is what I've been taught:

Cadence braking (well, not quite cadence, but similar concept) in icey/slippery conditions.

Braking fewer times but harder is better than light braking for longer distances, ie downhill (one should be in a low enough gear anyway).

These days, I let ABS and stability control do what it needs to although I wish I was still reasonably skillful at it.

Where I do still apply these tech issues is on my MTB going downhill on loose gravel where it's even more fun than in the car! Sometimes front brake, sometimes rear,.sometimes with different pressure front and rear, lots of fun and skill building!
 
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