Cadel Evans, a winner we can trust.

[festival]

Of all the pro riders capable of winning Grand Tours and one day monuments, how many can we, the knowledgeable public trust to be racing clean.
Let me clarify this by saying I am taking about the elite group who are always in with a chance of winning the races above. eg Wiggins may one day win a classic but he would not be in the list to win at the moment. Or Vockler is often a wild card but will never be a favourite for these races.
So I offer you Cadel Evans. Anyone else we can trust to win without bring the sport into disrepute

 

[lukesdad]

Carlos Sastre, although maybe past his best......not sure ? Watch " Over comming " and you ll see what I mean.

 

[yello]

Trust no one!

 

[GrumpyGregry]

They are all dopers

 

[iAmiAdam]

I find it funny how cyclists complain about being tarred with the same brush as the irresponsible cyclists, but when it comes to racing, they're all doping.

I like to think the Schlecks are clean, as is Cav, Wiggo, Evans, Cancellara etc. and I trust the hundreds of domestiques.

 

[raindog]

I've really gone off the Schlecks recently.

 

[iAmiAdam]

How can you not love the younger Schleck?

 

[raindog]

I think it was the video that Dave1 posted a couple of weeks ago that did it. I found it very creepy, even deeply disturbing.

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

 

[rich p]

How can you not love the younger Schleck?

Is he performing an act of unspeakable bestiality there Adam?

It's easy for people to assume all riders are dopers and let's face it, it was the safest option to avoid future disappointment. I think the peloton is cleaner now although that is far from saying that it's clean.

There are 4 types of riders as far as I can see

1. The ones I trust

2. The ones I distrust

3. The ones I'm not sure about but harbour suspicions

4. The ones who have doped in the past who may be clean but I will mistrust and dislike regardless

 

[raindog]

I think the peloton is cleaner now although that is far from saying that it's clean.

Well, it's certainly cleaner since Ricco departed.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I find it funny how cyclists complain about being tarred with the same brush as the irresponsible cyclists, but when it comes to racing, they're all doping.

I like to think the Schlecks are clean, as is Cav, Wiggo, Evans, Cancellara etc. and I trust the hundreds of domestiques.

I'm not 'cyclists', I'm me, and fwiw I don't give a stuff if someone tars me with the 'irresponsible cyclist' brush. Your position describes my own a few years ago in that I liked to think several fave competitors were clean and was subsequently proved wrong. Perhaps I should have expressed myself in full

They are all dopers and it makes no difference to my enjoyment of the spectacle.

 

[BJH]

So why didn't young Andy scream blue murder when the person who beat him fails a drug test??????

 

[iAmiAdam]

I'm not 'cyclists', I'm me, and fwiw I don't give a stuff if someone tars me with the 'irresponsible cyclist' brush. Your position describes my own a few years ago in that I liked to think several fave competitors were clean and was subsequently proved wrong. Perhaps I should have expressed myself in full

They are all dopers and it makes no difference to my enjoyment of the spectacle.

Okkkk, I never said your username and the comment wasn't aimed at you in particular, it was just an observation I've made over many forums, hence 'cyclists'.

I named a few riders, never said they were my favourite riders, the hundreds of domestiques are far from that, I'm not a massive fan of Wiggo or Evans either.

Perhaps I should of expressed myself more clearly, some of the riders I believe to be clean are listed above. I find it funny when people accuse all athletes of doping because a few choose to do that. Irony.

 

[mangaman]

So I offer you Cadel Evans. Anyone else we can trust to win without bring the sport into disrepute

Why Cadel Evans festival?

I can't see he's any different from anyone else.

As people have said - no-one knows, although I would suspect they're all at it.

I find it interesting that iAMiADAM mentioned the domestiques.

It's long been a bugbear of mine, whenever people say "they all dope, so the best rider still wins".

Cycling in a Grand Tour to win, really relies on Domestiques. The winners are protected the whole way and often the decisive moments are a few minutes on a high mountain or a TT.

One thing Puerto taught me was the cost of doping - I think, from memory, Tyler Hamilton was spending 40,000 euros a year.

To dope an entire team would be beyond the budget of most teams.

Imagine a hypothetical team - let's make them randomly err American. They have a super-rich team leader.
They ride 3 week tours with every rider in superb form. Able to ride at the front on all terrains all race, with huge Classics specialists winning mountain stages etc.

This hypothetical team just uses these supercharged domestiques to ride off all the other teams on every stage - and the leader is led home at the top of the mountains by a superdomestique.

These superdomestiques often leave and become team leaders - and get busted for drugs.

Now I know this seems implausible, and none of us can think of such a team

, but in a 3 week race I think we underestimate the domestiques.

If I were an unscrupulous DS I would dope all my domestiques to the max. as my main priority and concentrate on 1 race (the TDF for maximum publicity) as you can't do it all year.

A lot's talked about how drugs "don't turn bad riders into tour winners" but "preparing" an entire team, would be a clever ploy.

 

[iAmiAdam]

Why Cadel Evans festival?

I can't see he's any different from anyone else.

As people have said - no-one knows, although I would suspect they're all at it.

I find it interesting that iAMiADAM mentioned the domestiques.

It's long been a bugbear of mine, whenever people say "they all dope, so the best rider still wins".

Cycling in a Grand Tour to win, really relies on Domestiques. The winners are protected the whole way and often the decisive moments are a few minutes on a high mountain or a TT.

One thing Puerto taught me was the cost of doping - I think, from memory, Tyler Hamilton was spending 40,000 euros a year.

To dope an entire team would be beyond the budget of most teams.

Imagine a hypothetical team - let's make them randomly err American. They have a super-rich team leader.
They ride 3 week tours with every rider in superb form. Able to ride at the front on all terrains all race, with huge Classics specialists winning mountain stages etc.

This hypothetical team just uses these supercharged domestiques to ride off all the other teams on every stage - and the leader is led home at the top of the mountains by a superdomestique.

These superdomestiques often leave and become team leaders - and get busted for drugs.

Now I know this seems implausible, and none of us can think of such a team

, but in a 3 week race I think we underestimate the domestiques.

If I were an unscrupulous DS I would dope all my domestiques to the max. as my main priority and concentrate on 1 race (the TDF for maximum publicity) as you can't do it all year.

A lot's talked about how drugs "don't turn bad riders into tour winners" but "preparing" an entire team, would be a clever ploy.

And then you lose your entire team and not just one rider.