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snorri

Legendary Member
Good to hear of Scotrail proposals for improved facilities for cycling and winter sports customers.
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Their vivid red and blue livery would herald a new era in train travel for cyclists and snowsports fans, providing much-needed extra space to reach the Highlands by rail. Initial concept designs for Britain’s first carriages reserved for outdoor equipment have been leaked to Scotland on Sunday, showing a multipurpose interior complete with catering galley. Concept designs showing train carriages converted to carry bikes and snowboards. The internal presentation to ScotRail staff details space for 20 bikes in an area which replaces half the seats, with racks at one end for snowboards and skis. The plans show foldable shelving that could be used for other luggage instead. Ministers hope the first of five carriages will enter service next summer, coupled to existing trains. A galley area with bean-to-cup coffee machine and display fridge for sandwiches and cold drinks is also in the designs.
ScotRail hopes to have the first service operating on the Fort William line next summer. However, the contract for the conversion work has yet to be awarded, which might put back its planned introduction on the Glasgow-Oban line in May. The final design may also change significantly and there are “no firm timescales” for its completion. The other four carriages are due to follow in summer 2020, when they would also operate on the Glasgow-Fort William and Mallaig line, and those between Inverness and Kyle of Lochalsh and Wick/Thurso. They were ordered to ease overcrowding on the routes, where passengers can struggle to find space for their bikes. The trains are planned to have a cafe on board. John McCormick, chairman of the Scottish Association of Public Transport, said: “They will be a welcome addition, providing some additional seating and an additional toilet, as well as the cycle spaces, for Glasgow-Oban services where demand has been increasing and overcrowding occurs on some services in summer.” Doug Carmichael, chairman of the Friends of the West Highland Lines, said: “The conversion is well thought out and the café hub is an excellent idea.” However, he said all passengers should be encouraged to store large bags in the new coach. He said: “The main complaint, especially on the Oban summer services, is huge stacks of baggage in cycle spaces and door-entry space.”
A ScotRail spokesman said: “We are excited at the prospect of being a part of this innovative project. “We are continually looking to enhance the experience our customers have when travelling on our trains, and this concept would undoubtedly be a boost for cyclists. “We are at a very early stage and these designs are only an initial concept, which is subject to change.” A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government’s Transport Scotland agency, which is in charge of the ScotRail franchise, said: “These early working concepts were drawn up to inform internal and stakeholder discussion. “The final detailed designs are still under discussion and ScotRail is working to progress this project towards contract award to improve cycle provision across rural routes.” Show More Comments Sponsored LinksMore Stories

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...rds-and-bikes-on-snowsports-express-1-4834650
 
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Globalti

Legendary Member
Blimey that would be good.
 

Slick

Guru
Good to hear of Scotrail proposals for improved facilities for cycling and winter sports customers.
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Their vivid red and blue livery would herald a new era in train travel for cyclists and snowsports fans, providing much-needed extra space to reach the Highlands by rail. Initial concept designs for Britain’s first carriages reserved for outdoor equipment have been leaked to Scotland on Sunday, showing a multipurpose interior complete with catering galley. Concept designs showing train carriages converted to carry bikes and snowboards. The internal presentation to ScotRail staff details space for 20 bikes in an area which replaces half the seats, with racks at one end for snowboards and skis. The plans show foldable shelving that could be used for other luggage instead. Get serious about flu Don’t underestimate how seriously flu can affect your child. Sort out their vaccine with your GP practice now. Promoted by NHS Health Scotland Ministers hope the first of five carriages will enter service next summer, coupled to existing trains. A galley area with bean-to-cup coffee machine and display fridge for sandwiches and cold drinks is also in the designs.
ScotRail hopes to have the first service operating on the Fort William line next summer. However, the contract for the conversion work has yet to be awarded, which might put back its planned introduction on the Glasgow-Oban line in May. The final design may also change significantly and there are “no firm timescales” for its completion. The other four carriages are due to follow in summer 2020, when they would also operate on the Glasgow-Fort William and Mallaig line, and those between Inverness and Kyle of Lochalsh and Wick/Thurso. They were ordered to ease overcrowding on the routes, where passengers can struggle to find space for their bikes. The trains are planned to have a cafe on board. John McCormick, chairman of the Scottish Association of Public Transport, said: “They will be a welcome addition, providing some additional seating and an additional toilet, as well as the cycle spaces, for Glasgow-Oban services where demand has been increasing and overcrowding occurs on some services in summer.” Doug Carmichael, chairman of the Friends of the West Highland Lines, said: “The conversion is well thought out and the café hub is an excellent idea.” However, he said all passengers should be encouraged to store large bags in the new coach. He said: “The main complaint, especially on the Oban summer services, is huge stacks of baggage in cycle spaces and door-entry space.”
A ScotRail spokesman said: “We are excited at the prospect of being a part of this innovative project. “We are continually looking to enhance the experience our customers have when travelling on our trains, and this concept would undoubtedly be a boost for cyclists. “We are at a very early stage and these designs are only an initial concept, which is subject to change.” A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government’s Transport Scotland agency, which is in charge of the ScotRail franchise, said: “These early working concepts were drawn up to inform internal and stakeholder discussion. “The final detailed designs are still under discussion and ScotRail is working to progress this project towards contract award to improve cycle provision across rural routes.” Show More Comments Sponsored LinksMore Stories

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...rds-and-bikes-on-snowsports-express-1-4834650

What was the relevance of the flu thing?

That would be perfect for my night ride through Glencoe.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
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Excellent news; not just for the promised facilities but for the apparent change in attitude towards the carriage of bikes by train.
Oh; and thanks for the advice re the flu jab! :laugh:
 

classic33

Leg End Member
They were promised for down here with the introduction of the new rolling stock. Best of luck, but with the same company involved, don't hold your breath.
 

Slick

Guru
Post now edited, thank you:smile:.
I did a cut and paste job as you would have realised, and had already deleted a line or two on an unrelated topic but had not spotted the flu reference. I think the extras were from adverts beside the news item.
I hope it comes to fruition.
 
Looks a lot like a German intercity train.

ScotRail hopes to have the first service operating on the Fort William line next summer. However, the contract for the conversion work has yet to be awarded, which might put back its planned introduction on the Glasgow-Oban line in May. The final design may also change significantly and there are “no firm timescales” for its completion. The other four carriages are due to follow in summer 2020, when they would also operate on the Glasgow-Fort William and Mallaig line, and those between Inverness and Kyle of Lochalsh and Wick/Thurso.

Hang on. Those routes are operated using class 158 DMUs, which can't 'add' an extra carriage: they only have two and run in fixed formation. Does this mean the return of locomotive hauled passenger trains in the Highlands?
 
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Those routes are operated using class 158 DMUs, which can't 'add' an extra carriage: they only have two and run in fixed formation.

Edit: Except in Thailand...
 

robjh

Legendary Member
Looks a lot like a German intercity train.



Hang on. Those routes are operated using class 158 DMUs, which can't 'add' an extra carriage: they only have two and run in fixed formation. Does this mean the return of locomotive hauled passenger trains in the Highlands?
That simulation looks like the interior of a class 153 (single carriage train) or a 156 (the same, but two carriages). I would guess they're talking about converting some unneeded 153s and coupling them onto the 158s, which can be done. Since the 153s have driving cabs, they avoid any need for running round the train at the end of the journey, which is something train operators would want to avoid.
 
That simulation looks like the interior of a class 153 (single carriage train) or a 156 (the same, but two carriages). I would guess they're talking about converting some unneeded 153s and coupling them onto the 158s, which can be done. Since the 153s have driving cabs, they avoid any need for running round the train at the end of the journey, which is something train operators would want to avoid.

Shame: I was hoping for a refurbished class 37/DVT push/pull combo.
 
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snorri

Legendary Member
That simulation looks like the interior of a class 153 (single carriage train) or a 156 (the same, but two carriages). I would guess they're talking about converting some unneeded 153s and coupling them onto the 158s, which can be done. Since the 153s have driving cabs, they avoid any need for running round the train at the end of the journey, which is something train operators would want to avoid.
Your guess is correct, an earlier press report told of a plan to acquire five 153s for conversion.
 
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