Avid BB7 Road Setup?

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MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
So, Pompetamine just about finished but am rather underwhelmed by the brake performance, I have set them up via this method:-

http://www.twowheelblogs.com/avid-bb7-disc-brake-set-and-tuning

used Goodridge compressionless cables and even bought a dremel tool to grind the cable ends totally square and flat. the brakes need to bed in yet but I've made allowances for that. I'm using Tektro RL340 road levers and Tektro crosstop levers, I'm hoping that it's not a case of ditching the crosstops. The housings run full length to the calipers with the only interruption being the crosstops and they also have barrel adjusters. Even if I remove the crosstops I'd still be expected to put an inline adjuster in their place. Strangely I actually get better brake performance on the rear than the front and both brakes work better from the crosstops than the aero levers. Both road levers can bottom out on the bars and feel very easy to pull, yet I see actuation at the caliper as soon as they are pulled, so no lag.

I plan on doing some futher fettling and experimentation myself but was looking for experiences from others, especially anyone using crosstops as well. Some things I'm considering:-

the levers feel really easy to pull, can I tighten the spring tension within the caliper to provide a bit more resistance? I set cable tension as per the instructions so while the pads were in full rotor contact, but not forced hard contact. But I've read some claims that this is too slack and that the cable should be a bit tighter keeping the caliper under tension when brake not in use rather than totally relaxed.

following the above setup seems to have positioned my rotor nearer the outboard side of the caliper, the SRAM official video recommends this as well. It says that the rotor should be off centre towards the outside by a factor of 2:1. Yet other sources on the web say that the opposite should be aimed for, ie having 1/3 of the gap between rotor and inner caliper edge, and 2/3 the other side. Then some even say that you should just whack the rotor as central as possible and leave the rest to pad adjustment.

once I've got the caliper alignment, v rotor, sorted, then it's pad positioning and here again there seem to be three schools of thought. Equal pad to rotor gaps on both sides to give a balance between bite and modulation. Outboard pad closer than inboard to give increased modulation, ie only outboard pad moves and it flexes rotor against inboard. Thus the further the rotor travels to reach inboard pad the greater the modulation. Finally rotor as close to inboard pad as possible and then set outboard to suit feel, though some seem to claim this gives less modulation and an either on or off brake.

All info gratefully received
 

Gerry Attrick

Lincolnshire Mountain Rescue Consultant
I have no experience of cycle disc brakes, but plenty on motorcycles and four or more wheel vehicles. I know you have said you are making allowance for the pads not being bedded in yet, but some disc brakes are notorious for poor braking until then
 
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MacB

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
I have no experience of cycle disc brakes, but plenty on motorcycles and four or more wheel vehicles. I know you have said you are making allowance for the pads not being bedded in yet, but some disc brakes are notorious for poor braking until then

Ah, Gerry, no my concerns are around lever travel, I expect the brake performance to come with bedding in. It's how light the touch is and how far the lever travels before anything seems to happen is the concern. When not in use the gap between pad and disc seems too big to me, but I've set the pads only one click back from the point at which I could detect rubbing. However the rubbing I could detect before that final click wasn't constant so maybe this is indicative of rotors out of true and having to set the pads too far away to remove all rubbing. Same as setting rim brakes well back with an out of true wheel.

But these are brand new rotors and have been handled with extreme care, maybe I need to allow a little bit of rubbing, or get some new rotors...I don't know.
 

Gerry Attrick

Lincolnshire Mountain Rescue Consultant
OK, I see your point. I would expect new pads and discs to at least set up ok. Mind you, there only needs to be the slightest uneveness of pad to give rise to the symptoms you describe. It may well be worth setting the pads to rub slightly for a few miles to assist in the bedding process. FWIW it is usual for motor vehicle pads to rub slightly with the brake fully off.
 
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MacB

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
Ok, well I've had a good play around and also got a call from Stevo at On One to go through things with me. Pretty much as I've already posted so:-

tried all 3 varieties of setup re caliper alignment, rotor outboard, rotor centred and rotor inboard. Also tried each with pads in the 3 orientations, again outboard pad closer, pads centred and inboard pad closer.

I've found they're all pretty similar so I'm going to stick with the official orientation.

Double checked lever/caliper actuation and is spot on from both aero and crosstop levers, ie as soon as lever moves the caliper moves, there is no lag whatsoever.

Same issue remained that, when pads are dialled out to no rub at all then the levers bottomed out before full caliper closure. So I dialled the pads back in and found that, at the point at which the levers were behaving as they should then there was rub. But it is only rub for about 25-30% of the roation, so that leads me to conclude that the rotors are less than perfect. However I can spin the front wheel and the rub is not enough to slow it quickly, it carries on spinning for a fair while.

Conclusion - I'm going to run them like this and hope that the bedding in process sorts the rotors a bit as well. If not, then I'll live with a tiny bit of drag until it comes time to buy new rotors.
 

HJ

Cycling in Scotland
Location
Auld Reekie
I found that the rotors were sightly out of true, but my the guys at my LBS had a thing like a narrow tuning fork which they used to true them with...
 

HJ

Cycling in Scotland
Location
Auld Reekie
I have now found that it is a Rotor Truing Fork, I think I might invest in one...
 
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MacB

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
I have now found that it is a Rotor Truing Fork, I think I might invest in one...

yeah I looked at them last night and read the Park Tools blurb on useage etc, it's tempting but I'm not known for my finesse when it comes to operations requiring brute force, but in a gentle and controlled manner. Still, it's another tool I could add to my collection and, as I plan on disc berakes all round inthe future, maybe it's worth the chance.
 
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