Approaching queued traffic

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harrow1977

Regular
Hi everyone

I've got a newbie commuting question! Wasn't sure if it should be here or in the Commuting one, so apologies if I've chosen wrongly.

So I cycle to work in London (NW to central). Mostly along a quieter roads/ tow path but when I get to central there's one junction that always gets me thinking.....basically, the road is pretty straightforward up until I get close to the traffic lights where there's often parked vehicles. This means, as I approach the lights, there's often parked vehicles *and* stationary single-file traffic in the lane (if the lights are red). I need to turn left, so theoretically, I need to maneuver between the parked and stationary traffic, which is what a lot of cyclists do.

Problem is, the car drivers aren't helpful, and often there is the narrowest of gaps between the parked cars and them. For cars, this isn't a massive issue, but there's a lot of mini-vans etc where the driver can't necessarily see you if he pulls out and is veering to the left.

How should I approach this? Since I need to turn left, I generally hang back until the traffic starts moving again to avoid any sticky situations. There's also the option of going on the right hand side of the stationary traffic if the lights are red and getting to the front, but then what happens if the lights turn green when I'm on the right and need to turn left?

Any advice appreciated, folk.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
Hi everyone

I've got a newbie commuting question! Wasn't sure if it should be here or in the Commuting one, so apologies if I've chosen wrongly.

So I cycle to work in London (NW to central). Mostly along a quieter roads/ tow path but when I get to central there's one junction that always gets me thinking.....basically, the road is pretty straightforward up until I get close to the traffic lights where there's often parked vehicles. This means, as I approach the lights, there's often parked vehicles *and* stationary single-file traffic in the lane (if the lights are red). I need to turn left, so theoretically, I need to maneuver between the parked and stationary traffic, which is what a lot of cyclists do.

Problem is, the car drivers aren't helpful, and often there is the narrowest of gaps between the parked cars and them. For cars, this isn't a massive issue, but there's a lot of mini-vans etc where the driver can't necessarily see you if he pulls out and is veering to the left.

How should I approach this? Since I need to turn left, I generally hang back until the traffic starts moving again to avoid any sticky situations. There's also the option of going on the right hand side of the stationary traffic if the lights are red and getting to the front, but then what happens if the lights turn green when I'm on the right and need to turn left?

Any advice appreciated, folk.

This is the sensible option and what I would do.
 

crazyjoe101

New Member
Location
London
I tend to pass stationary cars on the left if there is enough room, avoiding longer vehicles closer to the lights. If there is a car which has left less room but it is far away enough from the lights that it will not be pulling away soon after the lights chage (due to cars in front of it) then I will edge past it. I normally stop 1-4 cars away from the lights depending on conditions anyway just so I can 'slot' in a space once it's moving, of course if I can reach the advanced stop if there is one then I will. As a general rule of thumb if you're not feeling sure about making the movement then there's no harm in waiting; just because someone who looks like they know what they're doing does it doesn't mean that it's right or even safe to follow them.
 
I tend not to pass vehicles up the inside (left) unless there is a cycle lane which I can use. Around this neck of the woods, there is a very definite difference in driver's attitude to cyclists not undertaking them at junctions - they are far more helpful if I don't.

Also at the end of the day, it is your life that is on the line. If the driver can't see you and the gap is narrow, think about what would happen if you met a wing mirror as another car's wing mirror passed you etc. Your safety at the end of the day is in your hands. Is it worth the extra minute (probably less) to put your life in potential danger, than stay where you are with the car behind you knowing you are there?

Also there seem to be a lot of fatalities in London involving vehicles (particularly lorries) turning left and running cyclists over. Personally I would play it safe and ride defencively: stay in the lane of traffic and pretend to be a vehicle - works for me every time.
 

fabregas485

Senior Member
Location
Harrow
Hanging back is the best choice. Ending up on the right hand side is the last thing you want to happen.
 
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